Top set, how to bet this?

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Seneku

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Texas Hold'em $0.25-$0.50 NL (real money), hand #P4-51910270-574
Table Islamabad, 16 Oct 2007 10:42 PM ET
Seat 1: NoRushes ($26.40 in chips)
Seat 2: poiss56100 ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 3: AceAl78 ($14.35 in chips)
Seat 4: cap. farol ($24.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Senekunn [ JC,JH ] ($29.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Worrest T ($56.30 in chips)
Seat 7: neo969 ($60.90 in chips)
Seat 8: petenorth99 ($25.00 in chips)
Seat 9: Juke79 ($58.25 in chips)
Seat 10: noseyo ($30.65 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Senekunn posts blind ($0.15), Worrest T posts blind ($0.25).
PRE-FLOP
neo969 folds, petenorth99 folds, Juke79 bets $0.50, noseyo folds, NoRushes folds, poiss56100 folds, AceAl78 folds, cap. farol folds, Senekunn bets $1.60, Worrest T folds, Juke79 calls $1.25.
FLOP [board cards 6H,JD,3C ]
Senekunn bets $2, Juke79 calls $2.
TURN [board cards 6H,JD,3C,7D ]
Senekunn bets $4.50, Juke79 calls $4.50.
RIVER [board cards 6H,JD,3C,7D,8H ]
Senekunn bets $9.50

How was my betting here? I'm always unsure how to bet in these situations. Juke79 just sat down on the table, so no reads.

I bet out only small on the flop, because I wanted him to make a move, or stay in with a smaller pocket pair. There were no draws on this board anyway. Once he called on the flop, I just bet 3/4rds of the pot for value. Any better lines available?
 
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This is pretty good but you could get a bit more value. You want to build a pot as big as you can. Keep in mind the fact that turn and river bets will be bigger if you can get a bit more in on the flop, as there is a multiplier effect on betting on the turn and river given the size of the flop.

There are a couple of draws on this board. 45 has an open-ended draw on the flop and the board pairs diamonds on the turn, so the flush draw is now there.
 
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I like it just fine. After the turn, I'd figure he's just calling down with a jack or maybe TT to maximize if you're bluffing with AK. So $9.50 seems perfect to get a call out of that kind of hand.

Another line I sometimes take is to bet the flop and then check-raise or check-call the turn. The check looks like AK or AQ giving up, so you can often get an extra bet out of an opponent with a pocket pair.
 
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Win or lose, you probably played it right.
 
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bet a bit more on turn and riv
 
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bet a bit more on turn and riv

Why bet more on the river? I think his only possible holdings are: sets, 45, 99, TT and a remote chance on the case J. The sets and 45 will get it allin no matter what and I don't think I can squeeze out more value against 99 and TT. I do think you're right about betting more on the turn, because of the flushdraw and possible straightdraw if he had 44 or 55.
 
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Pretty darn good...

I wish I could win pots like that...:(
 
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I agree that betting more on the river would not result in a larger payoff. Another big hand is going to push anyway, and smaller hands will be scared off by the larger bet. I agree with Viking though that a check-call or check-raise on the turn might have extracted some more value.

It's hard to say what he called the flop with as he could easily just have two overcards. So at that point I think you want to represent two overcards as well and see if he will make a move at the pot.
 
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Lasvegaspokerchick, the check/call or checkraise is indeed a option. But if you check-raise, you'll probably scare away those 88-99-TT hands, but I guess getting an extra bet is reasonably good in this situation. Maybe the check-call and raise on the river gets more value. MMmm.. still unsure what is best to do here tbh :).

Pretty darn good...

I wish I could win pots like that...:(

Who said anything about winning? Not that it matters but this is the result:

RIVER [board cards 6H,JD,3C,7D,8H ]
Senekunn bets $9.50, Juke79 bets $19, Senekunn bets $11.50 and is all-in, Juke79 calls $2.
SHOWDOWN
Senekunn shows [ JC,JH ]
Juke79 shows [ 10D,9D ]
Juke79 wins $57.25.
 
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wow, juke79 is a pattern mapper
 
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Lasvegaspokerchick, the check/call or checkraise is indeed a option. But if you check-raise, you'll probably scare away those 88-99-TT hands, but I guess getting an extra bet is reasonably good in this situation. Maybe the check-call and raise on the river gets more value. MMmm.. still unsure what is best to do here tbh :).



Who said anything about winning? Not that it matters but this is the result:

RIVER [board cards 6H,JD,3C,7D,8H ]
Senekunn bets $9.50, Juke79 bets $19, Senekunn bets $11.50 and is all-in, Juke79 calls $2.
SHOWDOWN
Senekunn shows [ JC,JH ]
Juke79 shows [ 10D,9D ]
Juke79 wins $57.25.


Well Jesus...I am sorry I said anything then...

What do you want me to say? Nice loss?

Jeeze...
 
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