QQ vs limp reraise

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bw07507

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I think after every session Im going to start posting a hand that I had to think about a little while. Here is a strange one. I had been fairly aggressive, raising a lot with position. I only had 15 hands on villain, but I put the stats down there, looks like your typle fish. Limp reraises I see alot being AA or KK, but he limped when someone in front of him had already limped, so that was a little wierd. I didnt really like the way i played the hand (even though i did end up winning). Just curious as to others thoughts. I think I either have to shove or fold here.


pokerstars GAME #11038487480: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/07/20 - 13:07:54 (ET)
Table 'Melete' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: clarck ($9.50 in chips) - 54/9/.67
Seat 2: Patrick00011 ($28.90 in chips)
Seat 3: ASSIRIPPA ($17.70 in chips)
Seat 4: bw07507 ($33.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Rawd_99 ($13.95 in chips)
Seat 6: tinamad ($21 in chips)
Seat 7: mulatek ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 8: da_abchecker ($17.35 in chips)
tinamad: posts small blind $0.10
mulatek: posts big blind $0.25
Hecke1988: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Qs Qd]
da_abchecker: calls $0.25
clarck: calls $0.25
Patrick00011: folds
ASSIRIPPA: folds
bw07507: raises $1.25 to $1.50
Rawd_99: folds
tinamad said, "slow play is the only play poker stars players know"
tinamad: folds
mulatek: folds
da_abchecker: folds
clarck: raises $2 to $3.50
bw07507: ?
 
tosborn

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I would put villain all-in here. You are more likely to see a donkeyish play with some hand like ATs from a dive bomber than KK or AA and with little to no fold equity you might as well get the money in here.
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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You're right, villain's play makes no sense and you definitely see lower pairs more often than AA-KK here (as well as other hands obviously like 2 broadway or even mid-suited connectors). The weird nonsensical limp-rr is often indicative of a low-mid pair though.

Evaluating without specific prior reads, villain's play here seems bad enough whatever hand he has to make me think he'll call off his short stack with pretty much whatever hand he has. As we're ahead of his range, we should shove (note also that villain will insta-shove practically any flop if we call). If he ends up having AA-KK, make a note, move on and be glad villain was shortstacked.
 
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Effexor

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Speak of the devil !

This just happened:

full tilt poker Game #3008638332: Daily Double - B (22427345), Table 30 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:29:46 ET - 2007/07/20
Seat 1: latenite1234 (3,965)
Seat 2: JEBJolly (1,370)
Seat 3: ragdoll125 (2,395)
Seat 4: sallydoes (2,715)
Seat 5: night-time play (1,800)
Seat 6: sigurdb (1,630)
Seat 7: BonyFilly (1,790)
Seat 8: kcrawford (2,535)
Seat 9: Effexor (2,335)
ragdoll125 posts the small blind of 20
sallydoes posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Effexor [Qs Qc]
night-time play has 15 seconds left to act
night-time play calls 40
sigurdb calls 40
BonyFilly folds
kcrawford calls 40
Effexor raises to 200
latenite1234 folds
JEBJolly has 15 seconds left to act
JEBJolly folds
ragdoll125 folds
sallydoes folds
night-time play folds
sigurdb has 15 seconds left to act
sigurdb folds
kcrawford raises to 2,535, and is all in
Effexor has 15 seconds left to act
Effexor has requested TIME
Effexor calls 2,135, and is all in
kcrawford shows [9s 9h]
Effexor shows [Qs Qc]
Uncalled bet of 200 returned to kcrawford
*** FLOP *** [4h 2d 2c]
*** TURN *** [4h 2d 2c] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [4h 2d 2c 5s] [6d]
kcrawford shows two pair, Nines and Twos
Effexor shows two pair, Queens and Twos
Effexor wins the pot (4,810) with two pair, Queens and Twos
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,810 | Rake 0
Board: [4h 2d 2c 5s 6d]
Seat 1: latenite1234 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: JEBJolly (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: ragdoll125 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: sallydoes (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: night-time play folded before the Flop
Seat 6: sigurdb folded before the Flop
Seat 7: BonyFilly didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: kcrawford showed [9s 9h] and lost with two pair, Nines and Twos
Seat 9: Effexor showed [Qs Qc] and won (4,810) with two pair, Queens and Twos


The 'ole limp reraise all-in, clearly not used often enough.
 
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young hova

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yeah, alot of times when you raise they think that you have no clue the strength of their hand and think that there made hand is good for a race against over cards hoping to take down the pot there.

you miswell get all your chips in here, because its cool to limp when your first to act or the first caller with aces but RARELY do you see a player limp with aa or kk when people have already called before them. Virtually only very passive players and people that have no clue what they are doing (or if they are 100% sure someone will raise in late position, no one's doing it at those stakes for sure). Theres no way you can really give credit for aces or kings to a limp reraise when someone has already called before that player acted.
 
dbitel

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you have QQ

he has like 40 BBs

he overlimped

=

easy push
 
SPANKYSN

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definetly should have put him all in
 
ChuckTs

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Easy easy push here for reasons others already put down. A player who limps behind and then suddenly wakes up when you raise is almost always a medium/small pair or sometimes a weak ace/KQ type hand. They wanted to see a cheap flop, didn't, but they're hand's too strong to throw away so they come over the top. Push!

I have run into big hands occasionally with this same play (once the SB limped with KK behind like 5 people, and my AQ got slaughtered), but really it's very rare, especially when they're new to the table.
 
joosebuck

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i have a question. what is our range here as far as instashoving is concerned?
 
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