Pocket 7's $1.00+$0.20 NL Final Table. Advice?

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MigratedLamb

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Few hands into final 8 players of a $1.00+$0.20 NL tournament (~45ppl start)


Seat 1: (4605 in chips)
MigratedLamb: (6075 in chips)
Seat 3: (4240 in chips)
Seat 5: (10075 in chips)
Seat 6: (12510 in chips)
Seat 7: SB (6480 in chips)
Seat 8: BB (6670 in chips)
Seat 9: UTG (16845 in chips)

SB and BB have both been loose/aggressive. Seat 6 and UTG have both been tight/passive. Most often, and so far in this tournament, I've played tight/passive to tight/aggressive.
I do not have reads on any of the other players at the table.


Blinds are 300/600 Ante 50

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MigratedLamb 7♦ 7♥
UTG: folds
Seat 1: folds
MigratedLamb: calls 600 (I'd normally try a raise here but unfamiliar with some players and two loose players on the blinds)
Seat 3: folds
Seat 5: folds
Seat 6: calls 600
SB: calls 300
BB: checks Pot 2800


*** FLOP *** 7♣ 2♠ 6♠

SB: checks
BB: checks
MigratedLamb: bets 1500 (Thoughts on this. Would you bet with possible straight/flush draws? Knowing that both blinds have been playing aggressive?)
Seat 6: folds
SB: folds
BB: calls 1500 Pot 5800

*** TURN *** 7♣ 2♠ 6♠ 5♥
BB: goes all-in [Pot ~10 000]
MigratedLamb: Thoughts? (~4000 chips left. The BB has you covered)
 
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you have to call here. LAGs, if you read is right, will push many hands you're ahead of. sometimes you'll be unlucky vs 34/48/89, but most of the time youll be ahead of him. even vs the straight you still have redraw possibilities.
 
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i think u have to call personally i think he would be on a draw and make it look like he hit is draw on the turn also u have a lot of outs on the river considering how much the board pairs
 
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with 10bbs you should not be limping.
 
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he could have anything really. Dont know why hed bet out and lead if he already hit his monster, but it could be a straight protecting against the flush, or maybe a lower set. maybe he was afraid youd check behind and get a free card. But anyway, id call. Worst case if he turns over a straight i hope the board pairs up on river.
 
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with 10bbs you should not be limping.

Good Advice! You should have led more. However, at this point in the hand I call. My gut is telling me that villain just picked up 2 pair. There is not a lot of evidence to suggest that, but I call.
 
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"MigratedLamb: calls 600 (I'd normally try a raise here but unfamiliar with some players and two loose players on the blinds)"

Why woulndt you raise with what figures to be the best hands against people who will probably call with alot of worse hands?


I would probably raise preflop(5 times bb, winning the blinds is not bad here either, and you dont wanna raise 3 bb to find 4 callers and a flop of say k 8 3). With one caller i would push on most flops.
 
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preflop sucks, but since you got here like that....


lol instacall

whats with people posting such OBVIOUS hands lately.
 
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After thinking about it i may have changed my mind(am i allowed to do that?) Commiting yourself with 77 may not be a good idea with 5 people behind. If anyone wakes up with a bigger pair your dead, but then again your shortstacked. Hmm ............
No ,raise 5 bb if your beat, then so be it. What are you supposed to do ? fold? I dont think so.
 
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no, he's right. this is an easy shove preflop. but since you've backed yourself into this situation you have to call.
 
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no, he's right. this is an easy shove preflop. but since you've backed yourself into this situation you have to call.

Agree.

Rule of thumb: if you're down to about only 10BB left, you shove pre-flop any hand you're going to play. That said, I'd have definitely shoved the flop. That said, I'd definitely call the all in. Even if you're beat (you have the 4th nuts), you have 10 outs on the river and still moreover, are already pot committed.
 
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*** FLOP *** 7♣ 2♠ 6♠

SB: checks
BB: checks
MigratedLamb: bets 1500 (Thoughts on this. Would you bet with possible straight/flush draws? Knowing that both blinds have been playing aggressive?)
Wow... just noticed that. Why are you concerned about betting with potential draws out there??? You have the nuts and are a huge favorite over any hand out there.
 
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i think u gotta call this bet you are beating too many hands to fold plus you have outs. My question is with straight and flush draws out there why u only betting half the pot if this guy does have 89 its ur own fault. too many ppl in the hand to only be betting half pot here especially with your stack only about 2x the size of the pot. i think not pushing on the flop was ur biggest mistake.
 
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Many people seem to have this notion that shoving preflop was the way to go (and in general).

Being early into this final table there wasn't much raising preflop taking place and a tight table image. It's therefore not necessary to shove preflop because, so far, a simple call is going to yield the same result.

whats with people posting such OBVIOUS hands lately{?}

I'm sure that, with the amount of hands being posted here, you (like myself) are starting to think this way about ALL the hands that are posted here.

No ,raise 5 bb if your beat, then so be it. What are you supposed to do ? fold? I dont think so.

Fold after raising 5bb's? Of course not.
 
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Many people seem to have this notion that shoving preflop was the way to go (and in general).

Being early into this final table there wasn't much raising preflop taking place and a tight table image. It's therefore not necessary to shove preflop because, so far, a simple call is going to yield the same result.


Not quite. If you push preflop, you either a) take the blinds, giving you another 1,000 or so chips without resistance, or b) you get called, win, and double up, or c) you get called, and lose.

The problem if you just call preflop you can't fold afterwards anyway, or else you don't have the chips remaining for the other players to take you seriously when you do try to steal the blinds. Basically, you don't have enough chips left to have any options, so if you're going to play, push. Especially with a middle pocket pair.

I'm pushing preflop here, with 22, 33, any pair, probably any Ace, 2 face cards. I think most people are, is what they're trying to tell ya, so 77 is in the upper range of what I'm hoping for.


btw, welcome to the forum. Good post, good question.
 
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You'd be at 6-8 BB remaining if you folded now. You have no choice but to call, and presume that your trips are the best hand. He would have raised the weak flop if he had pocket 9's, so you're safe against any sets better than yours. If he hit a straight, then he's an idiot for investing so much money into a garbage hand from the beginning. If you lose, take solice in the fact that you played correctly and got donked by a fish that you can take money off of later. Add him to your buddy list.
 
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