overplayed trips?

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Darkvivi

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Stacks: - Michael171 with $57.20 - elvesslayer with $53.95 - Shuraba with $49.75 - nomanirvana with $64.40 - lclass with $57.05 - Rivertown with $58.70

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* - Dealt to Michael171:
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* - Sklansky group 3
Preflop:
* - elvesslayer raises $1.50 to $2
* - michael171 calls [$1.50]
* - Folds: 4
* - Potsize: $4.25
Flop:
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* - Michael171: checks
* - elvesslayer bets [$2.50]
* - michael171 raises $3.50 to $6
* - elvesslayer calls [$3.50]
* - Potsize: $16.25
Turn:
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* - Michael171: checks
* - elvesslayer bets [$9]
* - michael171 calls [$9]
* - Potsize: $34.25
River:
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* - michael171 bets [$20]
* - elvesslayer raises $16.95 to $36.95 [ all-in ]
* - michael171 calls [$16.95]
Results:
* - elvesslayer shows a full house, Threes full of Queens:
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* - Michael171 doesn't show.
* - elvesslayer collected $105.15 from pot

Did I overplay this hand? I think I messed up on the river where I should of just check/called giving him an opportunity to bluff. The reason I checkraised on the flop was because I felt he could've had AK and would try to bet on the flop.
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Genso Hikki

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I'm going to be very interested to see what kind of responses you get here. This kind of hand is alway the death of me - where my opponent has a small pocket pair that makes a set or a full house when I have a big hand.

I don't think there's anyway you're getting away from this hand. I do wonder if you considered him playing QJ, pocket 3s or pocket 4s here. I think QJ is the hand I would be most suspicious of. So yes, I probably would have check/called the river, but as it has been pointed out to me several times, sometimes I'm an overly cautious player.
 
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what happened to you is someone caught their set, and was able to slow play you till all your chips were in and take the pot down. He read you well enough to know that you didnt have QQ, and was able to take advantadge of that. Its a hard thing to overcome, but it really depends on your read of the player and if he tends to slow play big hands.
 
Genso Hikki

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Well, I wouldn't say he slow played his trips. He was betting them all the way.
 
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I didn't think he would have QJ because he seemed somewhat tight and also he was UTG but turned out I was wrong about him being tight. :D
 
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This is an excellent example of the strength of a small pocket pair that hits on the flop. The Q pairing gives you an excellent hand but makes his boat, obliterating you.

It looks like you were trying to trap him with the check post flop and he put you on the Q. The turn was where you could have figured it out if you had have bet. This however would tell them you made your trips and maybe loose you some potential winnings. So I believe it comes down to how you play your trips - try to trap or pump them. Each has its advantages and merit must be given to both.

I take it you didn't have a read on villain so i believe your play was correct. The four on the river didn't make a straight or flush and putting him on 33 or 44 would be almost impossible. Personaly AK is what I would have placed him on.

Tough beat though
 
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You were sunk on the flop. He hit his set and no matter what he wasn't going to give them up. When you you check/raised on the flop and he called it, that should have given you pause to reevaluate the table.
 
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Yes. But in your defense it was inevitable. Once you check raised the flop, you were caught, hook line and sinker.
 
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what happened to you is someone caught their set, and was able to slow play you till all your chips were in and take the pot down. He read you well enough to know that you didnt have QQ, and was able to take advantadge of that. Its a hard thing to overcome, but it really depends on your read of the player and if he tends to slow play big hands.

I don't think he had a read, sometimes the cards just lose for you. Luckily that happens in reverse as well. When you're on the other side, all of his chips are going in just the same as yours went in there. If you had a good read on this player you may have been able to lay them down, but especially online at 25/50c blinds, you can't assume anyone calling there has you beat, they could easily have KK, AA, Q-rag, and I've even seen people go all the way with hands like 88 or 99 in this situation. Just as if when you have QQ there you stack the 33, 33 is going to stack an AQ there. Barring a really good read, you can't really lay down trips to the highest card on the board with top kicker. At this point, you just wait until you flop a set and someone hits trips.
 
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I agree your check Raise and him making the call with ease symbolizes we has the nutz or close to it. Alwasy evaluate where you stand in the hand and bet accordingly is the best thing I can tell you. None the less qqq with Ace kicker is a very strong hand and very hard to get away from at times. Folding great hands at times is a must though when you more then likely are beat. Thats the hardest part in poker to learn in my opinion fold great cards when they are questionable with the board showing warning signs. Better luck next time and remember to take the full amount of time if needed. Best of Luck..
 
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I think you should b/f the turn for like ~$7 tbh
 
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I will go against the grain and tell you that altough you did go broke in a situation that warranted it, your whole line was pretty much weak/FPS/crappy.

PF is fine, he could be raising with all sorts of stuff and I don't like 3-betting AQ preflop because you are folding worse hands almost never, while you're getting played back at a lot. Againt very agressive opponents, maybe, but this is 50NL.

Flop is a definitive bet in order to induce a call (people just love to pick apart c-bets). C/R is not very good since we are giving away the strength of our hands the times we do not c-bet a good hand and it induces a bluff, wich is not very, very good since our hand becomes face up once we do raise. Also, you min c/r wich is silly: raise more or don't if you want to play for stacks.

Also, if we get raised on our flop c-bet, we know villain has something and probably something big unless he has been raising you c-bets with ATC.

Turn check/call is disastrous. Bet here because you're getting raised by a worse Q never making the hand a lot easier to play afterwards, while a hand such as TT or KK won't chance a bet, meaning you lose value. I like bet fold, but really, who plays b/f here after c/r the flop ? No one.

Leading the river is really, really, really, REALLY like burning money here after c/r and c/c all the way since there's no way in hell a worse hand will call (apart from a Q, but would he raise KQ ?) while better hands will put us AI and we are committed to the pot. C/c anything reasonable to induce a bluff from KK, AA, TT or AJ.
 
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