Lots of outs, still call?

insolitude

insolitude

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Would love some thoughts on my play here, and whether to call the all-in (and why). TIA!

PokerStars Game #15818113178: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/07 - 22:22:05 (ET)
Table 'Skuld' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: CHIP_FELON ($5.43 in chips)
Seat 2: xiaye ($2.98 in chips)
Seat 3: burnstom ($7.31 in chips)
Seat 4: fredders ($1.98 in chips)
Seat 5: AstapBender ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 6: HAVEyourNUTS ($3.67 in chips)
Seat 7: Shylove ($5 in chips)
Seat 8: insolitude ($4.04 in chips)
Seat 9: folded--2 ($5.76 in chips)
insolitude: posts small blind $0.01
folded--2: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to insolitude [Qh Jh]
CHIP_FELON: folds
xiaye: calls $0.02
burnstom: folds
fredders: folds
AstapBender: folds
HAVEyourNUTS: raises $0.02 to $0.04
Shylove: folds
insolitude: raises $0.02 to $0.06
folded--2: calls $0.04
xiaye: folds
HAVEyourNUTS: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [2s 8h 4h]
insolitude: bets $0.16
folded--2: calls $0.16
HAVEyourNUTS: raises $0.46 to $0.62
insolitude: calls $0.46
folded--2: calls $0.46
*** TURN *** [2s 8h 4h] [Js]
insolitude: bets $1
folded--2: calls $1
HAVEyourNUTS: raises $1.99 to $2.99 and is all-in
insolitude: ???
 
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Friends don't let friends minraise!!!! So raise to $.12 if you were going to raise at all. On the flop, if you were going to play it for a flush you should have gone AI right there. As played you should call but don't be surprised to be hoping not to hit the flush.
 
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Friends don't let friends minraise!!!! So raise to $.12 if you were going to raise at all. On the flop, if you were going to play it for a flush you should have gone AI right there. As played you should call but don't be surprised to be hoping not to hit the flush.

I don't know what I was thinking there. Lately I have scaled back my standard pf raise a little -- closer to 4-6x BB vs. 6+x BB. Not sure where that minraise came from.

BTW, someone please point me to some good minraise reading.
 
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Here's the rest of the hand. Didn't hit any of my outs, but villain hit his.

insolitude: calls $1.99
folded--2: folds
*** RIVER *** [2s 8h 4h Js] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
insolitude: shows [Qh Jh] (a pair of Jacks)
HAVEyourNUTS: shows [8s As] (a flush, Ace high)
HAVEyourNUTS collected $8.64 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9.04 | Rake $0.40
Board [2s 8h 4h Js 7s]
Seat 1: CHIP_FELON folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: xiaye folded before Flop
Seat 3: burnstom folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: fredders folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: AstapBender folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: HAVEyourNUTS showed [8s As] and won ($8.64) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 7: Shylove (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: insolitude (small blind) showed [Qh Jh] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 9: folded--2 (big blind) folded on the Turn
 
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On the flop, if you were going to play it for a flush you should have gone AI right there.

Does my flush draw warrant the all-in on its own, or is it only justified because I also have two over cards? I figure I have 15 outs (not counting the long-shot straight draw), and even if I hit one of my over cards that's still not very strong.

Can anyone elaborate on this strategy (or point me to further reading)?
 
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