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insolitude

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Would love to get some feedback as to my play with this hand so far, and recommended action on the turn.

TIA!

PokerStars Game #15626080393: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/02/29 - 00:31:48 (ET)
Table 'Iocaste II' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: OMGFLUSH ($8.27 in chips)
Seat 2: squirrelly2 ($0.70 in chips)
Seat 3: winehouse ($0.96 in chips)
Seat 4: Newbie00001 ($4.57 in chips)
Seat 5: BlackSmitty ($9.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Redram ($2.98 in chips)
Seat 7: Alfam ($2.75 in chips)
Seat 8: insolitude ($4.39 in chips)
Seat 9: parc2000 ($2.06 in chips)
BlackSmitty: posts small blind $0.01
Redram: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to insolitude [Kh Kd]
Alfam: calls $0.02
insolitude: raises $0.10 to $0.12
parc2000: folds
OMGFLUSH: calls $0.12
squirrelly2: calls $0.12
winehouse: calls $0.12
Newbie00001: folds
BlackSmitty: calls $0.11
Redram: folds
Alfam: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [5c 9d Ad]
BlackSmitty: checks
Alfam: checks
insolitude: bets $0.24
OMGFLUSH: folds
squirrelly2: calls $0.24
winehouse: folds
BlackSmitty: calls $0.24
Alfam: folds
*** TURN *** [5c 9d Ad] [7s]
BlackSmitty: checks
insolitude: checks
squirrelly2: bets $0.34 and is all-in
BlackSmitty: calls $0.34
insolitude: ???
 
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bw07507

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I would have Check/Folded the flop, with 5 other callers, one of them has to have the Ace. As played, fold the turn.
 
shinedown.45

shinedown.45

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I would have Check/Folded the flop, with 5 other callers, one of them has to have the Ace. As played, fold the turn.
I disagree with this somewhat, I agree that another player has the ace but disagree with the check/fold.
Most if not all pro's will tell you that if you raise preflop, betting the flop has to be made(aka c-bet).
But this is an easy fold on the turn.
 
Jagsti

Jagsti

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CB'ing in a 5 way flop is rarely advisable imo. If your the pf raiser with KK and you get 1-2 callers and Ace hits the flop, then yes I will more than likely throw out a cb there. But in a 5 way pot there's no way our KK is good here, especially with the all in and call on the turn. I'm done with this hand. Fold.
 
marcogd

marcogd

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I think your preflop raise was too small. You have Ks at a .01/.02 ring table so chances are you'll get action no matter what you bet. Your job, as I see it, is to raise enough to reduce the field to 1 or 2 callers to give your Ks the best chance to win. I'd say a raise of .20 to .30 would have done just that. Then on the flop, a pot size bet is your best chance to a) represent the A and win the pot right there, b) know if you’re behind if you get called or raised, and c) eliminate any drawing hands. If you get called, a second bullet probably won’t do it so don’t bother, try to check it down to the showdown, if you can’t, just fold and save your money for another hand.
 
Jagsti

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PF raise is fine at 6xBB. You want action it's just unfortunate you have a 5 way pot. Raising it 15xBB is gonna get no action at all imo.
 
WVHillbilly

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Check/fold flop (too many opponents for cbet with the A on board). As played, fold the turn.
 
insolitude

insolitude

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It's funny, it seems most of the time I get AA/KK I never get any callers. I figured my c-bet could help me determine where I stood with the hand, and I might just be able to take it down right there.

I probably would have called the all-in from the short stack, but when BlackSmitty called I figured I was surely beat. Turns out I would have won the hand, but I still think folding was the right move.

insolitude: folds
*** RIVER *** [5c 9d Ad 7s] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BlackSmitty: shows [Jd 2d] (high card Ace)
squirrelly2: shows [Ac 7c] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
squirrelly2 collected $2.04 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.14 | Rake $0.10
Board [5c 9d Ad 7s Ks]
Seat 1: OMGFLUSH folded on the Flop
Seat 2: squirrelly2 showed [Ac 7c] and won ($2.04) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 3: winehouse folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Newbie00001 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BlackSmitty (small blind) showed [Jd 2d] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: Redram (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Alfam folded on the Flop
Seat 8: insolitude folded on the Turn
Seat 9: parc2000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
marcogd

marcogd

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Jagsti, I see your point and under normal circumstances the 6XBB should be more than enough, but if you've ever played at the 1c/2c microstakes ring tables, you'll know that most of the players are extremely loose and will call with any two cards so reducing the field does require a bigger bet(unless you've managed to find a tight 1c/2c table, if it exists). Ok, maybe not raise 15XBB, but certainly 10XBB. I think the fact the 5 ppl called is unfortunate, but not uncommon - it's the way these tables play.

This is just based on my observations of playing at that level. The proper way of playing doesn't neccessarily fit well.
 
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Bentheman87

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"I disagree with this somewhat, I agree that another player has the ace but disagree with the check/fold.
Most if not all pro's will tell you that if you raise preflop, betting the flop has to be made(aka c-bet).
But this is an easy fold on the turn."

If you raise preflop and only get 1 or 2 callers then yes you should bet the flop usually, if he only got 2 callers with KK there's a decent chance no one has an ace. Against this many callers you have to check fold though since it's very very unlikely no one has an ace.
 
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