Did I do Anything Wrong here? KK with an under flop

zachvac

zachvac

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Stacks: - khayyam37 with $27.25 - Wakegod with $31.40 - wezvidzz with $9.75 - krema38 with $17.65 - sandmandxp with $15.00 - Eliminator6 with $26.70 - ols37 with $28.55 - zachvac with $23.25 - SSninja33 with $25.10

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Site: pokerstars
* - Dealt to zachvac:
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* - Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
* - ols37 calls [$0.25]
* - zachvac raises $0.50 to $0.75
* - ssninja33 calls [$0.75]
* - ols37 calls [$0.50]
* - Folds: 6
* - Potsize: $2.6
Flop:
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* - ols37: checks
* - zachvac bets [$1.50]
* - ols37 raises $3.50 to $5
* - zachvac raises $8 to $13
* - ols37 raises $14.80 to $27.80 [ all-in ]
* - zachvac calls [$9.50] [ all-in ]
* - Folds: 1
* - Potsize: $52.9
Turn:
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* - Potsize: $52.9
River:
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Results:
* - ols37 shows two pair, Queens and Jacks:
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* - zachvac doesn't show.
* - ols37 collected $45.25 from pot

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The all-in bet I was actually getting odds to call, was the raise to $13 a mistake after seeing a check-raise? Should I have flat called there? I raised because of the flush draw out there, don't want them getting in cheap with the flush draw, but maybe since there was a raise and not a call I can assume he's not on a flush draw? After the final shove I figured either something like AKh, which I did NOT want to see, or perhaps AQ, 9Th, or of course the hands that had me dominated, a set or a 2-pair as in this example. I needed to price out draws, which pot committed me. Did I just get unlucky here with the over pocket vs. 2 pair or could I have somehow minimized the damage here?
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tenbob

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- Leave out results next time.
- With a limper ahead, raise slightly more pre-flop you can get away with $1-$1.25 lots of the time.
-Call after you get raised on the flop and re-evalute on the turn, you let the betting get out of controll here, and considering hands like QJ, straight draws, flush draws, JJ, QQ are all possible holdings you need to proceed with caution. I call the flop and attempt to reach showdown cheaply, its not a nice board to be playing for stacks on
 
ChuckTs

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What tb said, plus I'd like to add that AKs and AQ will very rarely limp-call preflop and stack that flop.

the key here is pot control.
 
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viking999

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Well, this one's a bitch because the cards that come down aren't scare cards. So even if you take a pot control line, you probably won't save much, if anything. By the river, it's still mostly a question of "does he have 55 or QJ?" (although possible KhTh or Th8h).

But in general, yeah I like just calling the flop. If he bluffed the flop with a draw, then he may bluff the turn (OOP) if he doesn't hit. Plus, you can probably fold to a river bet if he has you beat/gets there.
 
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