How can I take down this pot

Slimtobi

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This is a Situation I come across a lot but I always get the call on the River. I know my oponent has just like a pair and want to take the pot away from him representing a better Hand.

Infos:
This is the third Hand in a row I raised preflop (I had the hands to do it)
This oponent lost some small pots against me a short period ago.

poker stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players

AmigoTK: $5.50
Blise: $9.30
TommieVB: $11.70
Slimtobi: $12.65
kiki2004: $4.05
dayoldhater: $5.10

Preflop: Slimtobi is dealt
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(6 Players)
AmigoTK folds, Slimtobi raises to $0.30, kiki2004 calls $0.30, 3 folds
Flop: ($0.75)
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(2 Players)
Slimtobi bets $0.30, kiki2004 calls $0.30
Turn: ($1.35)
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(2 Players)
Slimtobi bets $0.30, kiki2004 calls $0.30
River: ($1.95)
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(2 Players)
Slimtobi bets $0.70, kiki2004 calls $0.70
Pot Size: $3.35 ($0.15 Rake)
kiki2004 had
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(a pair of Nines) and WON (+$1.60)

Slimtobi had
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(high card Ace) and LOST (-$1.60)


I really felt like I could represent the Ace.

Can you guys help me how I can win Hands like these where I sense my oponent is not so strong.
Or is there no way to win this?

Thanks for your Thoughts.
 
smells_flushy

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Your continuous bet is too small. The pot was $0.75 and you bet $0.30. That's less than half of the pot. An ideal continuous bet would be $0.40.

When that turn showed an ace, you should have represented it properly, rather than betting the same $0.30, as you did on the flop. That represents weakness. It probably shows that you are the one who is afraid of the Ace.
The pot on the turn was at $1.35, a bet of $1.00 here would probably take it away. But if it doesn't, a sizable bet on the river will help reassure your opponent that you have an ace.
 
winneronline

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How can I take down this pot
Steal the money when noone is watching and run away. Or try betting 2/3 of the pot on the turn and a PSB on the river, although I do not know if at this level a player is capable of folding second pair.
 
tenbob

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Ok so you wanna run a bluff.

Bet .50 on the flop, $1 on the turn, $2 on the river. (approx) that should get him off his nine, sometimes. Youll usually get away with raising a little more preflop at $10MAX.
 
bob_tiger

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one question before i try answering this....exactly what is the point of trying to steal some silly little pot and risk more money especially at this level where most people don't know how to fold
 
bob_tiger

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and if it was me and i was trying to steal when that A came up i would bet about 1.50 or 2 not that 30c and show that i dont have jack shit.
 
Slimtobi

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I wanted to steal it beacause i knew he was a very passive player, so i thought id make it look like value bets.
And i want to know how to handle similar situations, this really is something that happens a lot to me.

If I had bet like 1.50 on the turn wouldnt that even more look like a bluff?
 
Schatzdog

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I think you need to pick a better bluff target. Also bet bigger if you're trying to push him off.
 
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A passive player is a calling station a lot of the time. Very difficult to bluff.

If you had the A here would you have bet differently?

This does tell you something, you can value bet this guy all day long and get money.

As other people said bet more, and value bets should also go up every street.
2/3-3/4 pot size bet is a good place to start.
 
Slimtobi

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Calling station

Ok I have tracked this player and in fact hes rated as a calling station.
To bad I dindt realize it at the table.

Now lets say i knew he was a calling station. We're on the turn and all I want to do I seeing the river card as cheaply as possible hoping for the flush.
Do you think he would have bet after I checked or was my small bet just the right thing for this goal?
 
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Ok I have tracked this player and in fact hes rated as a calling station.
To bad I dindt realize it at the table.

Now lets say i knew he was a calling station. We're on the turn and all I want to do I seeing the river card as cheaply as possible hoping for the flush.
Do you think he would have bet after I checked or was my small bet just the right thing for this goal?

dude if ur bluffing a calling station just keep betting bigger each hand pot or more than the pot.
 
daxter70

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two words......NO FOLDING!!!

two more words....CANT BLUFF!!!!
 
GiveUpFishy

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your playing .5/.10 they will call no matter what
 
Hattori Hanzo

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Ok so you wanna run a bluff.

Bet .50 on the flop, $1 on the turn, $2 on the river. (approx) that should get him off his nine, sometimes. Youll usually get away with raising a little more preflop at $10MAX.

This is a bad bluff tactic IMO. I would play this kind of bluff ONLY if I wasn't in-fact bluffing but yet wanted them to think I am.....it is far to obvious and shows very little thought into a winning persons betting.

However in the above situation as the majority of posts have stated you just didn't bet aggressive enough and in all fairness matey had every right to be in and remain in the pot.

There is far from an exact science to bluffing IMO it all about "that moment", table image here both yours and there's is also very important and always try to keep in mind what cards they will have to have in order to be calling your bluff (the fewer possible cards the better of course as this will inevitably make your bluff more solid) and the most dangerous bluff of all there is "The All-In" for when you have invested far to many of your chips on a draw to let them go, you miss on the river and shove all you chips in to make out you didn't need the river anyway and then pray to the poker gods that they missed their draw also :D.
 
Bombjack

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Bluffing is not really a great idea here. You shouldn't be trying to win every pot. Just remember that poker is betting on who has the best hand. It should be pretty clear when he calls your flop bet that you don't have the best hand. So stop betting. Especially versus a passive opponent who you can value-bet to death when you do have the best hand.
 
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Ok I have tracked this player and in fact hes rated as a calling station.
To bad I dindt realize it at the table.

Now lets say i knew he was a calling station. We're on the turn and all I want to do I seeing the river card as cheaply as possible hoping for the flush.
Do you think he would have bet after I checked or was my small bet just the right thing for this goal?


Are you stealing, or chasing? If your stealing, steal it, don't play with it! Pot bet would probably have taken it down. If you chasing, then really, you're no better than the calling station.

Assume for a moment the calling station is just having a passive day, it happens, but he might have enough savvy on the flop bet to realize you are betting high cards, possibly a flush draw, but it aint there yet! He flops top pair, so of course he calls.

If he believes you are betting air, at this point he has you beat and will let you hang yourself.

The Ace turn causes him some concern, but when you essentially wimp in with that .30 cent bet, he feels good you did not hit. The flush draw is still just that, a flush draw. He's calling easy.

The river 6 offers up the st8, but he's probably thinking at best you just paired your 67.

Bottom line, you did not convince him.
 
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