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smells_flushy

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(I don't remember what suits were the opponents' hands, so I randomly put a suit; card suit is irrelevant in this hand.)

bodog
NL Hold'em
Table - Valdals (9 Handed)
Blinds - $0.05/$0.10

(txhldmqueen IS THE BUTTON)

jimre posts the small blind $0.05
Haopei posts the big blind $0.10
kimber420 posts the big blind $0.15 + dead small blind $0.05

DEALING POCKETS to Haopei (9♣,2♠)

kimber420 checks
Rasomflak folds
Jaco5 folds
txhldmqueen, it's your turn. You have 10 seconds to act
txhldmqueen calls $0.10
jimre calls $0.05
Haopei checks

DEALING FLOP (8♦,6♦,T♥)
jimre checks
Haopei checks
kimber420 checks
txhldmqueen checks

DEALING TURN (7♣)
jimre bets $0.25
Haopei calls $0.25
kimber420 raises $2.75 to $3.00
txhldmqueen folds
jimre goes all in $2.80
Haopei folds
kimber420 calls $0.05
txhldmqueen is sitting out
jimre shows a Straight, Ten high
kimber420 shows a Straight, Jack high

DEALING RIVER (4♣)
jimre shows (9♦, K♥) a Straight, Ten high
kimber420 shows (9♠,J♣) a Straight, Jack high

Hand 732225586:
kimber420 wins main pot($6.74)
with a Straight, Jack high
jimre is sitting out
txhldmqueen has left the table
 
Jack Daniels

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So did you have some sort of read here on kimber420? Since suits weren't relevant, how exactly were you able to fold your ten high straight when you could lose to one and only one exact holding of J9? Would you make this laydown everytime?
 
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Easy fold with 2 people in. Theres 1 more card to be dealt, it could easily make someone a higher straight and you would lose or a flush and you would lose. With 2 people all in, your either going to be splitting a pot or losing a pot. At best, you break even, at worse you loose. You have only a little bit over your BB invested and so it is easy to muck.
 
Jack Daniels

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I guess the math would interesting to see on this. I'm too lazy atm to do it and should be working outside right now. But if I had to venture a guess off the top of my head, I'd saying folding here is -EV considering all of the possible holdings (only one of which had you beat right now) that three players in blinds and and an unraised pot could be holding. Especially with such a huge overbet on the raise there.
 
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2 players shove all in on a 4 card straight board, you dont think one of them have a 9 like him? At best your splitting a pot.
 
Jack Daniels

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2 players shove all in on a 4 card straight board, you dont think one of them have a 9 like him? At best your splitting a pot.
Quite likely a split pot, I agree. But isn't a split pot more +EV than folding and losing it all while being worried about one possible holding? Plus, on the outside chance your opponent has the J9, you still have a redraw to split. I suppose then I should also consider that if the river counterfitted the 9, then any J would win. Didn't think about that before.
 
Grumbledook

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i'd have raised the turn where you called tbh

though as we don't know how much you and kimber420 have behind its hard to tell what you would do from that point on
 
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You call, you win 35c you had invested \o/(30c with rake but w/e) You can and lose, bye bye stack.

the river can come any straight card and screw you easily and a flush card. You might have the best hand now, might not on river. Even if you have best hand now, its a split.

Dont forget, you msut beat 2 players not 1
 
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