Gorsh darn it.. double post lol sorry but a hand

twizzybop

twizzybop

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Now a hand that could have been played in a few diffrent directions..
We all know I am not afraid to lose.. will admit when I do get lucky.. this hand is easy..(should have folded to begin with pre-flop before anybody says it).. still my theory will always be no guts no glory.. He over bet because he was afraid of being outdrawn.. Doesn't make sense cause it would have been basically heads up.. He said he would have called an all-in or re-raise after the flop if he did call pre-flop..So I got lucky then he got lucky... He didn't admit to getting lucky even though I did.. thats another thing I have with others.. Admit when you get lucky.. Don't say its skill..

Scenario #1 I could have limped in.. dunno if he would have
Scenario #2 I could have raised like I did and he calls
Scenario #3 Push all-in and he more than likely would have called
Scenario #4 Raise like I did.. he pushes all-in and then I fold..(would have been my best bet).

Which brings us back to the thread.. how do you play pocket JJ's.. :)

Table: 4 (real money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 1 - THEKILL ($5375 in chips)
Seat 2 - ACE664 ($520 in chips)
Seat 3 - BADRELIGION ($825 in chips)
Seat 4 - 69RAT ($1890 in chips)
Seat 5 - DJBIRD ($805 in chips)
Seat 6 - PGJOSE8 ($2990 in chips)
Seat 7 - FAZEONE ($2300 in chips)
Seat 9 - TWIZZYBOP ($4185 in chips)
TWIZZYBOP - Posts small blind $75
THEKILL - Posts big blind $150
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to TWIZZYBOP [6h 6s]
ACE664 - Folds
BADRELIGION - Folds
69RAT - Calls $150
DJBIRD - Folds
PGJOSE8 - Folds
FAZEONE - Folds
TWIZZYBOP - Raises $525 to $600
THEKILL - All-In(Raise) $5225 to $5375
69RAT - Folds
TWIZZYBOP - All-In $3585
THEKILL - returned ($1190) : not called
*** FLOP *** [6c 4h 4d]
*** TURN *** [6c 4h 4d] 8♣
*** RIVER *** [6c 4h 4d 8c] J♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
THEKILL - Shows [Jc Jh] (Full house, jacks full of fours)
TWIZZYBOP - Shows [6h 6s] (Full house, sixes full of fours)
THEKILL Collects $8520 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($8520)
Board [6c 4h 4d 8c Js]
Seat 1: THEKILL (big blind) won Total ($8520) All-In HI:($8520) with Full house, jacks full of fours [Jc Jh - B:Js,P:Jh,P:Jc,B:4h,B:4d]
Seat 2: ACE664 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: BADRELIGION Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: 69RAT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: DJBIRD Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: PGJOSE8 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: FAZEONE (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: TWIZZYBOP (small blind) HI:lost with Full house, sixes full of fours [6h 6s - P:6s,P:6h,B:6c,B:4h,B:4d]
 
Dorkus Malorkus

Dorkus Malorkus

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https://www.cardschat.com/showthread.php?t=64683

twizzybop said:
Not saying my call was to be desired.. but yet why is it that people will call a re-raise or a push all-in with medium pairs? Do they honestly think you are pushing or re-raising with a marginal or crap hand?
Seriously is it the heat of battle? Pot commited? Afraid to lose the chips?
The person didn't even stop to thin.. auto call button.. I have seen plenty others do the same thing.. but honestly why would someone do this?

Follow your own advice imo. :)

And he got all his money is as an 80% favourite, when he ends up winning the hand it's hard to say he "got lucky". If all his chips had gone in when you were ahead on the flop then fair enough perhaps, but to say "I was lucky" when my JJ beats 66 all-in preflop seems rather silly to me.

With an early position limper (possible danger of looking for a limp-reraise if you don't read him as a loose-passive donk) and someone behind me raising so much, this is a pretty standard fold. I like the raise, but you can't call that reraise - it's either a coinflip (bad players pull that sort of crap all the time with AQ) or you're drawing to 2 outs.
 
twizzybop

twizzybop

Legend
And he got all his money is as an 80% favourite, when he ends up winning the hand it's hard to say he "got lucky". If all his chips had gone in when you were ahead on the flop then fair enough perhaps, but to say "I was lucky" when my JJ beats 66 all-in preflop seems rather silly to me.

Agree about the 80%.. I went and checked up on that.. I don't think that I mentioned when I also told him I got lucky 1st with the 6... and then he got lucky on a 8% chance to win after that.. If you call 4% to win on the river silly.. by all means call it that.. it was luck no matter how you slice and dice it..

Did it matter that it was all in or done 1 card at a time.. Luck is Luck.. Just all-in is done quicker and faster..
 
Jesus Lederer

Jesus Lederer

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For me luck in poker is when after both players made their betting, the cards that hit make winner the hand that was underdog.
In this case all the betting round finished preflop, where you were underdog. You made the wrong move and put all your chips as the big underdog, so if the hand would end with you as the winner, that would be luck. But if for example all in would have been made postflop, then yes he would be lucky.
So in my opinion luck is applied only if the player who made the best decision loses. If the player said it was skill, i think he´s right, because he made the best decision and won.
Now back to the hand i would have chosen Scenario #1. I would limp with those 6s. If he the player with Js just checked o raised a little, then probably i would have ended the hand going all in (as a favourite), but if he raised big like he did, i would have folded. Why risking all your chips to a huge reraise (which generally means pocket pair like Ts or Js) with just a medium pair? As Dorkus said you were going end in a coinflip or drawing to 2 outs.

p.s: I´m just curious to know what do you really think about calling huge reraises with medium pocket pairs. In one thread you just didn´t understand how someone could even dare to think about calling a big reraise with medium pocket pair, and now you did that.
My opinion is that it isn´t worth calling in those situations. As it was mentioned you are going to be either slightly favourite or huge underdog. I accept a push with those hands, but definitely not a call.
 
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