Binning bottom set in PLO8?

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I didn't have such a good feeling about this hand on the flop. What do you think, just bin it? Or bin it on the turn? What about the river?

***** Hand History for Game 5392518988 *****
$25 PL Omaha Hi-Lo - Tuesday, October 24, 18:22:26 ET 2006
Table Table 95240 (No DP) (real money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 7: Crock37 ( $12.78 )
Seat 2: Bombjack_x ( $20.53 )
Seat 6: woodan ( $22.72 )
Seat 5: nobby448 ( $21.47 )
Seat 4: Char69696969 ( $6.28 )
Seat 9: brijach ( $0 )
Seat 1: vital17 ( $15.15 )
Seat 3: tilt_rejja ( $37.16 )
Seat 10: bonushore ( $23.70 )
Seat 8: inthebox707 ( $7.65 )
inthebox707 posts small blind [$0.10].
bonushore posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bombjack_x [ :5s4: :5c4: :as4: :kc4: ]
vital17 folds.
Bombjack_x calls [$0.25].
tilt_rejja folds.
Char69696969 folds.
nobby448 calls [$0.25].
woodan calls [$0.25].
Crock37 calls [$0.25].
inthebox707 calls [$0.15].
bonushore checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ :5h4: :10h4: :7d4: ]
inthebox707 checks.
bonushore bets [$1.45].
Bombjack_x calls [$1.45].
nobby448 calls [$1.45].
woodan folds.
Crock37 calls [$1.45].
inthebox707 calls [$1.45].
** Dealing Turn ** [ :jd4: ]
inthebox707 checks.
bonushore bets [$8.35].
Bombjack_x calls [$8.35].
nobby448 folds.
Crock37 calls [$8.35].
inthebox707 is all-In [$5.95]
** Dealing River ** [ :js4: ]
bonushore checks.
Bombjack_x is all-In [$10.48]
 
ChuckTs

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Fold this preflop - especially from EP.
I guess depending on what your reads are on your opposing players, I just might have to dump this. Set over set is really not that uncommon in OH (as I'm sure you know) and you could be drawing near-dead here on top of the fact that if a <8 card drops, you're playing for only half the pot.
 
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Eww, fold marginal stuff like this preflop in EP and avoid having to make awkward decisions like this.

As played I fold turn, but I probably raise flop to try and push naked low draws out, folding to a sizeable 3-bet from anywhere. I'm not sure of the wisdom in trying this at $25PL though, but I think you have to raise for information as much as anything. By just calling you've invited more players to hang around with what could be pretty much anything, and there are very few turn cards that you're going to be happy to see against 3-4 other players (basically non-heart deuces and paints, and even paints could occasionally be nasty if you have holdem donks about thinking an overpair is the nuts).

If I raise flop and only get the original bettor staying in I'll probably lead strongly into a relatively 'safe' turn like the Jd.
 
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Isn't this a reasonable starting hand? AK with a wheel card and a pair, double suited, in an unraised pot?

I suppose it would be the same dilemma if I had AK22 double suited, which presumably you wouldn't fold pre-flop, and the flop came 2-T-7 rather than 5-T-7.

BTW the showdown is quite amusing.
 
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I think that you can compare A-wheel to A-paint. AK is solid, AQ still good, AJ is starting to get weak and with AT you might aswell have A-rag. With A-2 you'll be drawing to the nut low, with A3 its still strong, but you have to be cautious, then A4 and A5 are then getting really weak.

Your hand does have some value with AK, two wheel cards and a suited ace, but I personally would only be getting involved if I was in LP, got in real cheap and had good reads on my opponents and their playing tendencies. Either that or I might play it shorthanded in the right situations.
 
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I read this thread and was wondering something outta place here lol, because the river gave you a boat in the OP and I was wondering if you were afraid of him/her having better why the bet after the check on the:D river? but now that you clarified that I can see the dilemna;) and as the others said fold PF from EP.
 
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- A5 is weak multiway. If you call down with it in many cases A2-A4 will have you beat.
- 55 is weak multiway. Even if you do flop a set, you will likely have to (a) hope nobody else has a higher set, and (b) have to dodge all manner of draws.
- The double-suitedness is nice, and might just about make this a CO/Button limp if a few early limpers are in, but you're in EP and have no idea if you're going to have to either call a raise or ditch your hand preflop. Just like you wouldn't limp A4s in EP at a full NLHE table (I hope), you shouldn't be limping double suiteds here.
- AK is pretty meh in O8, it just serves as a nice addition to an otherwise good hand, which AK55d is not for the reasons above.
- I don't know how you can call it 'an unraised pot' seeing as 7 people are still to act when you limp.
 
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Here's the comical finale (good to see that quality O8 hands are in play!):
** Dealing River ** [:js4:]
bonushore checks.
Bombjack_x is all-In [$10.48]
Crock37 is all-In [$2.73]
bonushore calls [$10.48].
bonushore shows [ :jh4:, :8s4:, :9d4:, :6s4: ] a straight, seven to jack.
Bombjack_x shows [ :5s4:, :5c4:, :as4:, :kc4: ] a full house, Fives full of jacks.
Crock37 doesn't show [ :8c4:, :9c4:, :10d4:, :6c4: ] a straight, seven to jack.
inthebox707 doesn't show [ :ks4:, :9s4:, :8d4:, :7s4: ] a straight, seven to jack.
Bombjack_x wins $14.85 from side pot #2 with a full house, Fives full of jacks.
Bombjack_x wins $14.64 from side pot #1 with a full house, Fives full of jacks.
Bombjack_x wins $30.95 from the main pot with a full house, Fives full of jacks.
There was no qualifying low hand.
 
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