Always shove here?

[light65536]

Would you always shove here or fold? I've been getting more of these beats since playing short and multi-tabling. Most of the time my decision is shove or fold. It turns out I was a slight favorite against this player but if he was just chasing the flush then I would have been a bigger favorite -- by shoving I also can appear to be chasing the flush.

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pokerstars Game #18402482032: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/06/26 - 18:25:45 (ET)
Table 'Siri V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: light65536 ($1.97 in chips)
Seat 2: ACH1LLES ($5.41 in chips)
Seat 3: Maverik77777 ($5.14 in chips)
Seat 4: shotshirl ($1.22 in chips)
Seat 6: shark8_len ($2.95 in chips)
shotshirl: posts small blind $0.01
shark8_len: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Ts 8c]
light65536: calls $0.02
ACH1LLES: calls $0.02
Maverik77777: calls $0.02
shotshirl: folds
shark8_len: checks
*** FLOP *** [9h 7h Js]
shark8_len: checks
light65536: bets $1.95 and is all-in
ACH1LLES: calls $1.95
Maverik77777: folds
shark8_len: folds
*** TURN *** [9h 7h Js] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [9h 7h Js 3h] [As]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
light65536: shows [Ts 8c] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
ACH1LLES: shows [Th Jh] (a flush, Jack high)
ACH1LLES collected $3.84 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.99 | Rake $0.15
Board [9h 7h Js 3h As]
Seat 1: light65536 showed [Ts 8c] and lost with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 2: ACH1LLES showed [Th Jh] and won ($3.84) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 3: Maverik77777 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: shotshirl (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: shark8_len (big blind) folded on the Flop

 

[Dwilius]

personally, I never fold the nuts when checked to.

 

[KyleJRM]

No, you absolutely don't shove here. You value bet.

 

[SavagePenguin]

I only fold if the nuts if I get disconnected.

Ach1lles probably figured he had plenty of outs (two pair, set, straight and flush draws). I can't fault him too much for calling.

 

[Jillychemung]

No, you absolutely don't shove here. You value bet.

Well to be completely correct, a shove could be your value bet based on your read of the opponent.

In this case you want to bet enough to make FD make a mistake in continuing to play but still entice them to play. At this level though you will find many players that will chase FD to the river. IMHO you could have bet anything and this hand would not have turned out differently. Just add a note on this player and hope you can set'em up again.

 

[bw07507]

Villain wont and shouldn't fold this flop to any bet. He has top pair, a straight draw and a flush draw. Didnt matter how much you bet I think this was getting all in on the flop no matter what. I wouldnt just shove the flop though as J10h isnt the only hand in villains range. 2/3-pot bet here is good.