A10 OTB

Richyl2008

Richyl2008

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Don't really have any significant reads on this guy other than he is like
40/4/1.9 after 100 hands or so. Kind of a crappy spot, with both the limpers calling it bloated the pot to the point where I don't have a whole lot of options without pot committing myself. Whats the best line here, and is it worth calling the river?


poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
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MP: $2.95
CO: $23.95
Hero (BTN): $10.70
SB: $15.10
BB: $2.45
UTG: $7.10
UTG+1: $8.15

Pre-Flop: T:diamond: A:heart: dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.55, 2 folds, MP calls $0.45, CO calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.80) 7:diamond: A:spade: 3:diamond: (3 Players)
MP checks, CO bets $1, Hero calls $1, MP folds

Turn: ($3.80) 6:heart: (2 Players)
CO bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($6.80) Q:heart: (2 Players)
CO bets $3.30, Hero folds

Results: $6.80 Pot ($0.30 Rake)
CO mucked and WON $6.50 (+$3.45 NET)
 
BelgoSuisse

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So on the turn you still liked you T kicker but on the river you got out of love with it?

I think if you call the turn, you have to call the river. With 40 VPIP, Villain could have A9, A8, A5, A4, A2 or a busted diamond flush draw often enough to justify the call. If you plan to fold, you should fold on the turn when villain tells you he likes his hand enough to double barrel.
 
The Shrog

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I think if you call the turn, you have to call the river. With 40 VPIP, Villain could have A9, A8, A5, A4, A2 or a busted diamond flush draw often enough to justify the call. If you plan to fold, you should fold on the turn when villain tells you he likes his hand enough to double barrel.

Couldn't agree more. I can't see how the river card changes your opinion on where you're at in the hand that much. If you believe you're good on the turn, the river shouldn't change this.
 
F Paulsson

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Did you check the stack sizes before raising on the button?
 
BelgoSuisse

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If villain is a fish who can play any ace and the sets this way, you beat 40 hand combinations (A9, A8, A5, A4, A2), you tie with 6 (AT) and you are behind 46 (24 for (AK, AJ), 18 for (AQ, A7, A6, A3), and 6 for (77, 33)), so your equity is 46.7% against that fishy range and it's a must call on the river.

Do you think the river bet narrows his range to a point that his turn bet did not?
 
Richyl2008

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If villain is a fish who can play any ace and the sets this way, you beat 40 hand combinations (A9, A8, A5, A4, A2), you tie with 6 (AT) and you are behind 46 (24 for (AK, AJ), 18 for (AQ, A7, A6, A3), and 6 for (77, 33)), so your equity is 46.7% against that fishy range and it's a must call on the river.

Do you think the river bet narrows his range to a point that his turn bet did not?

He just seemed very passive, most of his hands that I had seen he was playing out of position he was just check calling with, I hadn't seen him 3 barrel once yet, or even donk into anyone on the flop. I agree with you about calling the river though, I think I gave him a little too much respect, I just couldn't imagine a passive player betting all 3 streets with A9 or worse at the time but I guess I'm probably good here enough of the time for the call to be good. I have made some questionable river calls in the past and I think I may be overadjusting a little too much while trying to find the right balance. Isolating the shortstack probably wasnt a good idea either Thanks for your inputs
Rich
 
F Paulsson

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The largest mistake you did in this hand has nothing to do with the river or turn; it's about planning the hand already preflop.
 
Richyl2008

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Yeah I made the pot way too big for my hand. I guess limping would have been better.
 
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Honestly, I dump pre-flop. But as played I think the river has to be a call.
 
Jagsti

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I dunno, I like the sqz play pf, it's a big part of the game in FR when i/p like we are here. However if we sqz pf, I think raising his donk bet on the flop is a must. As played I have to call this river.
 
F Paulsson

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I dunno, I like the sqz play pf, it's a big part of the game in FR when i/p like we are here. However if we sqz pf, I think raising his donk bet on the flop is a must. As played I have to call this river.
Squeezing preflop is fine; making a regularly sized squeeze vs. a shortstack isn't. Our equity is fine preflop, but the pot size gets really awkward when we're called if we don't raise it up more. Of course, then we're putting in some serious money and build quite a pot the times we get called, but with the idea of being committed on the flop. It's problematic, but it's what we get for squeezing a shortstack.

In short, we need to size the raise so that we're either committed or not-at-all committed when someone calls the squeeze. In this case, we landed in the god-awful middle ground.
 
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