6max 25NL, 55 OESD, shove??

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Villain is a nitty 20/7/0.7 over 60 hands. He wasn't involved in much hands. I've been running 28/16/6, semi-loose aggressive. I've showed down a few hands like Q9s, A8s. Pretty much stealing a lot.

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $22.30
CO: $12.50
Button: $27.25
SB: $23.05
BB: $64.35

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 5
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5
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Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BB raises to $3, Hero calls.

Flop: 3
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4
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($6.15, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero raises all-in $19.05 << Good or bad? Do I have any Fold equity? Or should I have folded?
 
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I would have raised to 10. Let him know to respect my hand. If straight hits, all in. I look at lower pairs as drawing hands anyway. I am tight/aggresive, but at the same time I like playing A5 for this very reason, to bust a lower pair in this type of situation (and would had made a small bet like was made).

You was probably well ahead, a pair and a possible straight, but dont think all-in was the right choice at the time, irregardless of how the hand turned out.
 
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I would have raised to 10. Let him know to respect my hand. If straight hits, all in. I look at lower pairs as drawing hands anyway. I am tight/aggresive, but at the same time I like playing A5 for this very reason, to bust a lower pair in this type of situation (and would had made a small bet like was made).

You was probably well ahead, a pair and a possible straight, but dont think all-in was the right choice at the time, irregardless of how the hand turned out.
Min raising to $10 is horrid. Not to mention he only has $9 left after the min raise. I think what you did is fine. Good chance youre ahead and if you are not you have outs to catch up.
 
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Yeah, what exactly is the point of minraising when it basically pot commits you anyway?

The shove is fine.
 
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Exactly the reason why I shoved, there's some fold equity(I feel). Plus if the Villain calls, I still have outs. Still, the whole idea is to get the Villain to fold. Every time he calls with an overpair, I lose money in the long run.

Still, I realised after the hand that it's 25NL 6max, they will never lay down overpairs. I guess it'll be better to do this when I have like a gazillion outs.
 
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This might be a bit weak but I find a fold here more often. You're priced out and behind. This is an overpair 85% of the time that isn't laying down. You could probably only fold out AK/AQ by shoving.

Anyone agree?
Too weak?
 
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This might be a bit weak but I find a fold here more often. You're priced out and behind. This is an overpair 85% of the time that isn't laying down. You could probably only fold out AK/AQ by shoving.

Anyone agree?
Too weak?

I would say it really depends. Thinking back, the Villain was raising 7% of his hands preflop. (AK, AQ 88+??) We might get him to fold 88-JJ, AK AQ(we beat that) I don't think we can get AA, KK to fold here, even though the board is straightening.

I've seen him check the flop headsup, even though he was the PF raiser. So I guess, he pretty much has an overpair.

Probably not a fancy move I should try at this limit.
 
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This might be a bit weak but I find a fold here more often. You're priced out and behind. This is an overpair 85% of the time that isn't laying down. You could probably only fold out AK/AQ by shoving.

Anyone agree?
Too weak?


I agree with you Schatz, I don't think it's weak. I'd fold this too because it's an overpair you're up against almost every time and you are priced out as you say, only a 38.4% chance to improve. You lose money in the long run, as was also pointed out by edge. TBH, I think an overpair calls here even at higher buy-ins, not only on 25max. The 2 clubs on the board make you think you're up against a flush draw and you're favored with an overpair. I believe what the 25max gives away here is specifically the fact that its an overpair with his reraise PF, and your shove is NOT going to get a fold making you an almost 2 to 1 dog.
 
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I would say it really depends. Thinking back, the Villain was raising 7% of his hands preflop. (AK, AQ 88+??) We might get him to fold 88-JJ, AK AQ(we beat that) I don't think we can get AA, KK to fold here, even though the board is straightening.

I've seen him check the flop headsup, even though he was the PF raiser. So I guess, he pretty much has an overpair.

Probably not a fancy move I should try at this limit.

I have a pretty similar hand I played the other night that I'll post this weekend. Folding out any overpair at this level is going to be very difficult. Also, against such a nitty player the PF re-raise screams overpair.
 
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I have a pretty similar hand I played the other night that I'll post this weekend. Folding out any overpair at this level is going to be very difficult. Also, against such a nitty player the PF re-raise screams overpair.

Very good point. I didn't really think of it, till the hands was over. it's 25max, no body folds KK and AA... :D Time to cut down the aggression.
 
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