50max NL Omaha hi-low -- best play for HU tricky flop in position?

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* - Dealt to BabyHumvee:
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Preflop:
* - buz10133 calls [$0.50]
**- 1 players fold.
* - lichaz676 calls [$0.50]
* - davideli raises $1.50 to $2
* - babyhumvee raises $10 to $12
**- 5 players fold.
* - davideli calls [$10]
* - Total folds this street: 6
* - Potsize: $25.75
Flop:
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* - DAVIDELI: checks

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A small bet here, about 12 bucks, that way if you get a call you know your probably against 2 pair or a made straight etc, and you only have a pair and straight draw. So we need to bet here to see if he is playing low or high, if he has 4 low cards hell fold to a small bet. Bet here to find that out
 
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Disclaimer: I have no idea how to play split pot games.

I think I'd check behind here. Your hand isn't strong enough to sustain betting on all streets, and a check raise would put you in a tough spot.

I call (maybe raise) any turn bet after checking behind as well. Even if the turn comes blank, and you're up against AKQJ, you still have a 35% shot at the pot.
 
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I don't lie the reraise here. This isn't Omaha High, it's Omaha Hi/Lo. This is a one dimensional hand since you have no shot for the low. Currently, you have a straight draw and Aces. Since you are talking the role of the aggresor here, I would put in a 3/4 pot bet. You got to see where he stands in the hand.
 
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Disclaimer: I have no idea how to play split pot games.

I think I'd check behind here. Your hand isn't strong enough to sustain betting on all streets, and a check raise would put you in a tough spot.

I call (maybe raise) any turn bet after checking behind as well. Even if the turn comes blank, and you're up against AKQJ, you still have a 35% shot at the pot.

I dont think this is best at all. We arent betting flop with intention of leading out on all streets, we are finding out where we stand as cheaply as possible. If we check behind we open the door for a steal when we may have best hand. Also if your willing to call (maybe raise) a bet on the turn, why not find out on the flop where you can control the size of the bet, instead of raising turn when you are beat?

Remember we still have a draw to the nuts if our flop bet is called.
 
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I dont think this is best at all. We arent betting flop with intention of leading out on all streets, we are finding out where we stand as cheaply as possible. If we check behind we open the door for a steal when we may have best hand. Also if your willing to call (maybe raise) a bet on the turn, why not find out on the flop where you can control the size of the bet, instead of raising turn when you are beat?

Remember we still have a draw to the nuts if our flop bet is called.
Yeah, I concur. I originally figured I'd let a hand with low cards take a shot at bluffing this pot. But leading on the flop could possibly earn us a check on the turn, and it allows us to semi-bluff for cheaper.

Checking the flop & then raising the turn would give us a lot more fold equity against a deep stacked opponent, and would get us some value from low hands bluffing. But we've already three-bet this pot pre-flop, and picking up 50 BB's uncontested would be pretty nice. Not to mention that villain doesn't have a stack big enough that can fold if he bets the turn.
 
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I don't lie the reraise here. This isn't Omaha High, it's Omaha Hi/Lo. This is a one dimensional hand since you have no shot for the low. Currently, you have a straight draw and Aces. Since you are talking the role of the aggresor here, I would put in a 3/4 pot bet. You got to see where he stands in the hand.
DEFINITELY AGREE. I don't think you should be reraising ANYTHING that doesn't have the potential to scoop the whole pot in hi/lo because if the flop comes low with your hand, You'll never have a clue where your at because your opponent will chase the low and might get lucky and hit the high. Like dude said your hand is one dimensional.

I don't even like this reraise in regular pot limit this reraise, because whenever you reraise max people automatically assume you have aces and they'll just look to flop 2 pair to try to break you, and when they flop it if they push what are you gonna do? Your putting yourself at way too much risk with this raise.

Theres like a general rule with aces in omaha preflop. If you can't get like at least 70% of your whole stack in preflop than its not worth the reraise, because otherwise your gonna end up getting callers virtually all of the time and the more.

The only way this raise works to me is if you play pot limit omaha, and you are KNOWN to reraise max with a WIDE range of hands, that way they'll think you have aces when you really don't and that will get you paid nice when an ace doesn't show up yet still give you respect for a hand like trip aces when an ace does show.

Last comment on the preflop reraise, IF YOU FEEL YOU MUST RERAISE THIS HAND in omaha hi/lo (which I don't think you should ever do, its a GREAT hand to reraise in pot with out the hi/lo), in this particular reraise situation you should 3 bet his raise, that way you don't have as much involved, plus people won't automatically think you have aces. The purpose of a preflop raise/reraise in omaha is to juice up the pot so you can bet big when the community cards come not to push someone off a hand, because in my experiences 9 times out of 10 you'll have callers or a preflop lotto on your hands.

Aight, based on the situation your in. I think your best bet is to bet here based on the image of your hand, cus im thinking he's automatically going to assume youve got at least 2 aces inyour hand so its a good chance he may believe your bet, I would bet around at least half the pot, if you know that he'd only call a reraise with a hand that has low potential than you can pot bet this here, but if you dont know I'd stick to the half the pot bet. I say you just pot bet because you have nut potential anyway, and if he was smart to

You could also consider check-raising him on the turn, I think thats another good move, that looks like a good move for someone with the nut straight in this case, plus you can make a read off his bet and decide if u want to lay down or not. Also You'll scoop any dollars he decides to bet when you reraise him plus if he calls, he'll most likely only bet into you on the river if he's got it so you can check it down. You'll get to see a free card too, its not really any scare cards out there that can come in this situation.

Either one is good, but stay away from this reraise, your risking too much. You'll think he's trying to steal the pot just because its big, and maybe he will but many times he won't be and your ego might not want to let you give this pot up when really your hand is very marginal. Don't make this raise in short
 
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