$50 NLHE 6-max: 4b AKs 100BBs, flop the world and improve OTT, how to get money in here/best line?

[BlueNowhere]

There has to be draws in his range. Or this HA makes no sense. Because your not going to get paid either way if villain has TT-QQ. If his range is total air (which i doubt) then the only line i like is WV's which is min bet turn to get a spazz shove.For him to call the flop o it has to be a cooler or some sort of combo draw in which i like betting $12 and shoving

Given we have As and Ks villain has zero draws. Do 17/14s with tight 3-betting ranges really suddenly start 3-bet/calling 86s?
Name one draw that exists for villain?

 

[JOEBOB69]

according to heros game dynamic he could have JTs,QTs etc.But the main point is to think that villain will bluff catch more with TT-QQ with the turn check,river bet line than he will on the turn before the board can get worse for his one pair/(draw)

 

[BlueNowhere]

according to heros game dynamic he could have JTs,QTs etc.But the main point is to think that villain will bluff catch more with TT-QQ with the turn check,river bet line than he will on the turn before the board can get worse for his one pair/(draw)

Where does hero indicate he could have that hand? Also even if he does he's never calling a bet/shove line on that board. I agree checking turn is nice, I didn't agree with your main point of shoving turn though since nothing worse ever calls. Same with flop sizing being bigger since everything we want to peel just doesn't. I'm gonna bet small with the entire range I bet with. I don't think betting $12 with anything is good.

 

[JCgrind]

fwiw i have villain here on TT+ AK, but since i have blockers, and 4b so high, i think its QQ JJ that villain refuses to fold

Cold calling OOP with AK puts us in a really shitty position.

agree

4b is way too big pre, make it like 7.50 or so. As played I think I like checking flop better than turn (looks a lot like QQ and he might try to barrel you off it with his entire range).

Also that flop bet is just about as big as you should even think about making it. Bigger would be absolutely awful for your overall game in this spot and if you are going to bet there I prefer ~$6.50-$7

yeah it totally is. i find this spot really awkward though because if i make it any smaller hes going to be calling his entire 3b range. i guess this is good in that ill be seeing flops with a lot of worse hands, but i find these spots tricky OOP in such large pots when i cant narrow villains range...
i never even considered check flop then bet/shove. i like that a lot more actually cos ye he might bluff me off, plus i obv largely have him on a premium here so i might get him to herocall QQ or something (assuming A doesnt peel OTT).

as for flop sizing, i think i mentioned a few posts earlier that in retrospect, i did make it too large and it shouldve been around $7.50

 

[baudib1]

Betting bigger than half-pot on the flop is a pretty big mistake, IMO.

In this spot ranges are pretty well defined, even CO vs. BTN. A nit/TAG is rarely/never showing up with speculative hands here, so we have the stone-cold immortal nuts on the flop. As it's K-high instead of A-high, he's obligated to peel one with TT-QQ but we'll rarely get 2 streets of value. Shoving the turn is ridiculous, he's never calling unless he's hit us with an epic cooler on a slowplayed KK/AA/99.

Check back the turn and try to get him to hero call a blank river or to bluff a spade.

 

[JCgrind]

cheers baudib, sounds solid