5/10 limit - I wuss out on the river.

F Paulsson

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Villain is a lagtard.

pokerstars 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J♥, A♦.
UTG calls, MP raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (10 SB) Q♣, A♥, 4♣ (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) [10s] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, MP calls.

River: (8.50 BB) [10c] (2 players)
Hero checks, planning on calling a bet.
 
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joosebuck

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even the lagtard wouldnt overcall without at least a strong pair, possibly 2p+, right? i like the check call here.
 
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Well a lagtard probably caps w/AQ+ PF so I think you're fine with your kicker unless of course he's hit his.

How is this wussying out on the river? I think a check-call is the best play here...I think your hand is pretty marginal on this board, and a check-call will minimize your losses and also give him a chance to bluff with hands you have beat.
 
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Do I suck at limit because I think this is standard?

Unless villain is the same guy from your last blog post FP, in which case we obviously value bet river. ^^
 
F Paulsson

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This is standard to me, but I felt funny about the hand when I checked the river.

Here's the thing:

  • My kicker just got counterfeited. So if he has any ace, I'm at best splitting this pot with him. Betting won't do me a lick of good.
  • He does not have a flush. A lagtard raises the flop (or the turn) with a flush draw since "I SEMIBLUFF AND LOL FOR EQUITY" or something similarly ridiculous. I have an article coming up about that. Anyway.
  • He does not have a big pocket pair like KK or JJ. I would have heard from him preflop, at least.
So if I bet, I'm hoping for him to call with K-high (in which case he'd need to put me on 99 or whatever) or him calling me with a pair of queens.

Meh, I'm probably being results oriented. I wanted to bet the river, decided not to and was pissed off when he showed Q9.
 
joosebuck

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but doesnt his range here include hands that have you beaten? like K10/J10
 
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Yeah, Joose, that's the big reason to check the river. Very few hands will call that I can beat. What I was listing in the post above are reasons to bet. I don't think there are more hands that he will call a bet with that I can beat than has me beat.

Of course, if I check, he may also bluff, which is another great reason for it.

I'm just being results oriented in the sense that after the fact I realized that I could have won another BB but missed out on it. Looking at it today, a check looks best.
 
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LAG = Loose and aggressive. Being a lagtard means being stupidly loose and aggressive, basically.
 
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I can't see you being behind on this river. Anything that beats you here would have folded already (a ten) or raised on the flop or turn. I bet bet bet.
 
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What hands would he call me with though, barring specifically a queen? KT, JT, sometimes a flush draw (although unlikely since I really, really, really think he would raise this on the flop), can all make sense. And most other hands, like K-8 or J9 aren't going to call when I bet anyway. So does he have specifically a queen more often than he has any of the hands that beat me?
 
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Well yes, a Queen basically... which is what I'd put him on given the flop and turn calls. Although if you think he'll bluff a river a check might be better. I don't think a bluff is likely here though. Either he's calling with the flush draw and has made it, or has a marginal hand including a Queen which he'll want to show down.
 
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Oh and some Confucian wisdom that I just made up: "If it is not a clear decision, it probably doesn't matter much either way."
 
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