This is a discussion on $400 NLHE Full Ring: $400 NLHE Full Ring: strange flop with KK within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; Hero has been playing fairly tight, big stack around 1000BB
Villain is tight, fairly aggro, stacked around 500BB.
this is 2/5 not 2/4
Hero is UTG
Hero raises to
The way it went down till the river the hands are probably very strong holdings. And yes you have the second nuts but I would ask myself this question.
Looking at the river what would he value bet that can call your raise other then Ax and perhaps KK. You represent a strong hand with a 4 Bet pre-flop and check-call on flop and turn. I would have called the river and hope that hes on a bluff or made a thin value bet. For me the check raise on the river is a to thin value check raise.
I don't see how villain can continue betting the turn or river without the Ace here. Its a 4-bet pot preflop between 2 tight players. If villain doesn't have the Ace, he is afraid that you do. Your check calling line is screaming Ax. He can't call your river raise with less than a chop here imo. I would continue to minimize losses to AK/AQ and just call the river.
Very unusual hand. I just don't see what check-raising river will accomplish. You have told a very believable story that you either have AK, KK or QQ, so why would he call with anything worse than this?
Hey TJ, if your opponent is 500bb deep to start, isn't your jam on the river less than a minraise? If so, that's the ONLY reason I could see it being okay.
Otherwise I think it's rather silly because villain can't put us on worse than what we have, ever, with a hand that we want him to call with imo.
If it truly is less than a minraise then I get it because it seems impossible he folds QQ and JJ now to less than a minraise, but otherwise why did you say raise to 3k then?
In any case, I'd usually just check call here, but it's kind of nice to have weird check raises in weird spots sometimes. I'm just not sure it's that valuable or displays to opponents that you're "tricky" beyond the scope of this exact spot.
Several hands you've posted now have you check-raising or jamming the river with marginal to strong holdings. You really shouldn't be doing this so frequently without the nuts or a solid read. Again, high risk-low reward. You also lose the chance to see your opponent's hand (and get info) by not simply calling.