25NL TP vs c/r on turn



Rock Star
Oct 2, 2007
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pokerstars Game #17731831282: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/05/27 - 15:34:09 (ET)
Table 'Manto III' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: cutterchuck ($9.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Not done ($42.90 in chips)
Seat 3: winkywizard ($15.10 in chips)
Seat 5: A.L Pussycat ($4.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Lilicita ($23.25 in chips)
Seat 7: eddy4finga ($34.20 in chips)
Seat 8: phatjose ($25.70 in chips)
Seat 9: deuxnamik ($4.65 in chips)
Not done: posts small blind $0.10
winkywizard: posts big blind $0.25
Micha126: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to phatjose [As Jh]
A.L Pussycat: folds
Lilicita: folds
eddy4finga: calls $0.25
phatjose: raises $1 to $1.25
deuxnamik: folds
cutterchuck: folds
Not done: folds
winkywizard: calls $1
eddy4finga: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Qc 8d Ad]
winkywizard: checks
eddy4finga: checks
phatjose: bets $3
winkywizard: folds
eddy4finga: calls $3
*** TURN *** [Qc 8d Ad] [6c]
eddy4finga: checks
phatjose: bets $6
eddy4finga: raises $23.95 to $29.95 and is all-in
phatjose: ?

Villain is 50/11/1.3 over 18 hands, and this was only like my 5th hand against him, so basically no reads.

The turn bet was probably a mistake seeing as how most flush draws are not calling basically a pot size bet. I'm thinking this is pretty much a set or ace rag that hit 2 pair. Easy lay down?


Is drawing with AK
Jan 2, 2007
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Against a super loose fish, I have a hard time putting this down. But yeah, I think we're still beat most of the time.

Oddly enough I see a lot of people do this with flush draws @ 2$ NL. Its the "Oh noes, I'm running out of cards to make my flush with, better move him off his hand" move. But at 25$ NL, this probably doesn't happen. Fold 'em.


Feb 2, 2005
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Very standard fold for me. What does he do this with that you beat? I rarely see FDs do this, and even they have decent equity against you, especially if they've got some kind of straight draw too.

I'm thinking the only hands that you really beat that takes this line is like 97d. I mean look at his line - limp-call pf, ch-c flop, check-raise turn. Standard beluga theorem, he'll have you beat nearly always here.


Mar 14, 2008
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This pot really seems to be getting pretty big by the turn for having a one pair hand with 3rd kicker. I think I probably check behind on the turn here, not sure if thats the best play considering how loose this guy is, but it is only a 18 hand sample size, and I don't really want to play for stacks with this hand. The turn raise is a pretty easy fold. Limp calls ep preflop followed by ch/call, then ch/raise is a line that someone with a set takes a lot of the time.


Nov 26, 2007
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Betting the turn is a really really bad idea. After the CR, it's a clear fold.