$25 NLHE 6-max: Could I have played this a little less punt-ier?

[loafaBREAD]

So not many hands on V... after a few hands I noticed this dude ain't folding too much in many spots (not saying he should have folded here.)

My question is- can we bluff this on the turn? I think at that point we know our hand is no good.

Is the river raise in theory ok?

We need some Jx to bluff... we can only really have As Q here for more spade blocking bluffs.


Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software
NL Holdem 0.25(BB) BB ($32.19) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 16.3% | AGG: 39.2% | Hands: 255]
HERO ($29.47) [VPIP: 23.9% | PFR: 20.6% | AGG: 33.2% | Flop Agg: 33.4% | Turn Agg: 34.5% | River Agg: 30.7% | 3-Bet: 10.1% | 4-Bet: 11.9% | Hands: 48374]
BTN ($25.35) [VPIP: 17.4% | PFR: 13% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 33]
SB ($27.54) [VPIP: 21.2% | PFR: 21.2% | AGG: 38.8% | Flop Agg: 59.1% | Turn Agg: 23.5% | River Agg: 20% | 3-Bet: 24.1% | Fold to 3-Bet: 20% | 4-Bet: 0% |

Hands: 169] Dealt to Hero: J♥ Q♥

HERO Raises To $0.62, BTN Folds,
SB Raises To $2.11, BB Folds,
HERO Calls $1.49

Hero SPR on Flop: [5.69 effective]

Flop ($4.47): T♣ Q♠ 8♠ SB Bets $2.12 (Rem. Stack: $23.31), HERO Calls $2.12 (Rem. Stack: $25.24)

Turn ($8.71): T♣ Q♠ 8♠ K♠ SB Bets $4.12 (Rem. Stack: $19.19), HERO Calls $4.12 (Rem. Stack: $21.12)

River ($16.95): T♣ Q♠ 8♠ K♠ 7♥ SB Bets $6.40 (Rem. Stack: $12.79), HERO Raises To $21.12 (allin), SB Calls $12.79 (allin)

Spoiler

SB shows: 8♥ 8♣ SB wins: $52.83

 

[mktpppr]

P: open to 3x, 2.48x is ok-ish.

As played (2.48x), IP flat vs small-ish (3.4x) OOP 3bet is fine.

F: fine.

T: one of worst cards in deck. Only As and Ts are worse. Any Ace, King or spade are bottom one-third of turn cards for us.

I make a nitty fold. Calling is marginal.

R: as played, easy fold. We don't have a hand. Jamming is spewy.

I don't understand your comments:
1. Your reads and his stats says villain is under folding postflop: so why try to bluff him?
2. Turn card is super-bad for us: why do you want to bluff the turn? Or did you mean river?
3. Villain can cbet OOP his flush draws for that sizing on the flop.
4. I don't understand why you want to bluff the river: we don't have a hand, we unblock spades, river is a blank but flop and turn hit villain's preflop 3bet range.
5. The only Qx we should consider calling are no-spade AQ. AsQx blocks some of his bluffs, so we fold AsQx.

6. From a theory standpoint, we should only raise the river for value with made flushes and straights.

Our bluffing combos can't be many, maybe AsKx, to balance folding AsQx.

We're not being unbalanced per se: it's just that we're at a major range disadvantage when villain 3barrels river OOP, using value sizings all the way, and starting off with a scary flop and turn.

 

[Sidetracked]

Best less spewey, fold the turn

Second best less spewey, maybe make a howling, crying call on the river. But folding is still better.

 

[gustav197poker]

The preflop defense was normal. Possibly it is more comfortable to defend against a big blind than a small blind but nothing from another world.
On the flop the call seems correct to me. Raising with J of kicker is very close to overplay on this texture.
The turn is really interesting. You probably put an ace in his range. Calling here is mostly for the purpose of making plays on the rivers.
This river was really a brick. I understand your thinking and it was a very brave bluff. But here the texture did not help you too much. Probably if the river hit with another spade maybe it's possible to knock down a hand like JJ or pairs. But here most of the time you will come across sets that will not give up.
Greetings.

 

[eetenor]

So not many hands on V... after a few hands I noticed this dude ain't folding too much in many spots (not saying he should have folded here.)

My question is- can we bluff this on the turn? I think at that point we know our hand is no good.

Is the river raise in theory ok?

We need some Jx to bluff... we can only really have As Q here for more spade blocking bluffs.


Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software
NL Holdem 0.25(BB) BB ($32.19) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 16.3% | AGG: 39.2% | Hands: 255]
HERO ($29.47) [VPIP: 23.9% | PFR: 20.6% | AGG: 33.2% | Flop Agg: 33.4% | Turn Agg: 34.5% | River Agg: 30.7% | 3-Bet: 10.1% | 4-Bet: 11.9% | Hands: 48374]
BTN ($25.35) [VPIP: 17.4% | PFR: 13% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 33]
SB ($27.54) [VPIP: 21.2% | PFR: 21.2% | AGG: 38.8% | Flop Agg: 59.1% | Turn Agg: 23.5% | River Agg: 20% | 3-Bet: 24.1% | Fold to 3-Bet: 20% | 4-Bet: 0% |

Hands: 169] Dealt to Hero: J♥ Q♥

HERO Raises To $0.62, BTN Folds,
SB Raises To $2.11, BB Folds,
HERO Calls $1.49

Hero SPR on Flop: [5.69 effective]

Flop ($4.47): T♣ Q♠ 8♠ SB Bets $2.12 (Rem. Stack: $23.31), HERO Calls $2.12 (Rem. Stack: $25.24)

Turn ($8.71): T♣ Q♠ 8♠ K♠ SB Bets $4.12 (Rem. Stack: $19.19), HERO Calls $4.12 (Rem. Stack: $21.12)

River ($16.95): T♣ Q♠ 8♠ K♠ 7♥ SB Bets $6.40 (Rem. Stack: $12.79), HERO Raises To $21.12 (allin), SB Calls $12.79 (allin)

Spoiler

SB shows: 8♥ 8♣ SB wins: $52.83

Thank you for posting.

How do we study this situation now?

We create a data list for each street and use that to estimate ranges on each street for our Villain and what are V is thinking our range is as well.

Simple example

Data list
1 HUD says we are TAG
2 HUD says V is LAG
3 V is 3 betting from SB that narrows a LAG range
4 Hero calls 3 bet from SB range that narrows hero range

Preflop range for you is what? For V what? Taking the time to work on this range is going to turbo charge your learning.

Flop data list- good for you to dive deeper than this

1 Both ranges interact with this board
2 Hero hand vs V range is not dominating.
3 V bets standard size
4 Wet board
5 V is agg so multiple bets on all streets coming

Range.
Hero is folding all of the missed range and small pairs as well so Hero has condensed range that will interact well with this board.

V range does not condense for a player this agg based on HUD data

Turn- if you build a data list and range for this turn bet and quote reply I will review and help if I can.

Hope this helps