@ Station master
@ Aballinamion
Can any of you guys explain as to why this, mathematically, would be the most profitable play to 4bet shove?
My first reaction reading this was that this was a good fold. You still have to hit. I have difficulty playing these kind of hands after not hitting anything on flop. And facing 3bet aggression, my experience of 4betting such hands have led to ugly situations.
I think that StationMaster explained perfectly the mathematical reasoning behind this idea.
When I’m playing NLHE 2, if my opponent has = or < 50 BB I’m always pushing all-in with AKo: if it happens that I lose, it’s not that much and most of times broken stacks are pushing AJ, KJ, K8s!! (as the example).
But it all depends on many factors such as mathematics and our history with villain.
Yesterday I was playing cash and opened from EP AKo. A player 3-bets to 9.5 BB in front of me and another player in BU shoved 67 BB: I insta folded my AKo. Why?!?
Because it was more than 50 BB at stake and I wasn’t the last one to speak. If there wasn’t another player in front of me, I would’ve called but I just let this one pass and moved on.
I returned playing cash a few weeks ago and many players have no clue about 3-bet and 4-bet sizing, this is a great tell of whether we should enter a pot by jamming or not.
For example, it comes in fold and I open from SB 3 BB for stealing: BB/villain 3-bets to 12 BB! It doesn’t make any sense for villain has position over the SB, why using such a large sizing?
Or I 3-bet
bluff with A2s-A5s and villain 4-bets to 36 BB!!! I would never call this neither shove unless I have AA or at least AKs! Even when I have KK I’m just calling because once there is 30% of our stack invested, we could already jam it.
As a rule of thumb observe with minutest care stack sizing and raise sizing: some players will open raise 2x and other will open raise 4x. We cannot use the same chart/calling range for both, we must adapt to the situation.
I’m almost never calling from BB when players raise to 3x, 3.5x, 4x or higher and when I call I have a very strong hand that didn’t want to 3-bet.
On the flip side I call a lot from the BB when it comes a sizing of 2x or 2.5x.
At NLHE 2 Zoom, I barely 4-bet: players are 3-betting most of times 5% range so what’s the point of 4-betting? To get a shove on the face? Nope, we must play accordingly situation and pay attention to details that many players ignore, such as stack sizing and opening/3-bet/4-bet sizing.