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NineLions

NineLions

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fulltiltpoker Game #4463085820: Table Homestretch - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:21:18 ET - 2007/12/10
Seat 1: ExuTHoR ($1.85)
Seat 2: bolokstar ($1.70)
Seat 3: Mith AU ($10)
Seat 4: KC_TRAIN ($5.75)
Seat 5: Chief2017 ($4.15)
Seat 6: lfigo85 ($2.75)
Seat 7: NineLions ($9.50)
Seat 8: Abatwa ($9.40)
Seat 9: LesNessmann ($10.25)
Chief2017 posts the small blind of $0.05
lfigo85 has 5 seconds left to act
lfigo85 posts the big blind of $0.10
5 seconds left to act
Mith AU posts $0.10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NineLions [Jd Ac]
NineLions calls $0.10
Abatwa folds
LesNessmann folds
ExuTHoR folds
bolokstar folds
Mith AU checks
KC_TRAIN calls $0.10
Chief2017 calls $0.05
lfigo85 checks
*** FLOP *** [8h 3h 6s]
Chief2017 checks
lfigo85 bets $0.30
NineLions folds
Mith AU folds
KC_TRAIN folds
Chief2017 calls $0.30


-----Raise preflop. As played there is a good possibility that the Big Blind hit this flop. Agree with fold.-----



This is one of the things that I've been reviewing lately. According to the videos that I've been watching lately, AJ is a clear fold UTG. I couldn't bring myself to do this and chose the worst option; limping. :(


Folding AJ UTG, folding AT UTG + 1, raising all pairs after UTG, lots of 3-betting, not much calling preflop raises, that's where I'm trying to get to. At this level though, raising AJ UTG is probably fine. Limping is awful though.





FullTiltPoker Game #4463239290: Table Homestretch - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:35:06 ET - 2007/12/10
Seat 1: ExuTHoR ($1.65)
Seat 2: NickyP317 ($10.25)
Seat 3: Mith AU ($10.15)
Seat 4: biggysmalls316 ($7.75)
Seat 5: drachdudek ($1.85)
Seat 6: lfigo85 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 7: NineLions ($8.65)
Seat 8: Abatwa ($13.60)
Seat 9: kodak05 ($4)
NineLions posts the small blind of $0.05
Abatwa posts the big blind of $0.10
5 seconds left to act
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NineLions [Kh 8h]
ExuTHoR folds
NickyP317 folds
Mith AU folds
biggysmalls316 has 15 seconds left to act
biggysmalls316 folds
drachdudek folds
NineLions calls $0.05
Abatwa checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s Qh]
NineLions bets $0.20
Abatwa raises to $0.70
NineLions calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [8s 2s Qh] Q♠
NineLions checks
Abatwa checks
*** RIVER *** [8s 2s Qh Qs] 3♥
NineLions checks
Abatwa checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Abatwa shows [Jd 2h] two pair, Queens and Twos
NineLions shows [Kh 8h] two pair, Queens and Eights
NineLions wins the pot ($1.45) with two pair, Queens and Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.60 | Rake $0.15
Board: [8s 2s Qh Qs 3h]
Seat 1: ExuTHoR didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: NickyP317 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Mith AU didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: biggysmalls316 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: drachdudek didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: lfigo85 (button) is sitting out
Seat 7: NineLions (small blind) showed [Kh 8h] and won ($1.45) with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 8: Abatwa (big blind) showed [Jd 2h] and lost with two pair, Queens and Twos
Seat 9: kodak05 is sitting out

-----I'm trying not to be results oriented, but, after seeing the flop reraise call, I was hoping to see you bet the turn for about half pot and take this down. I don't mind playing this passively since there is a good chance that we are behind, but, I like to find this out by betting. This does a couple of things:

a) We are repping at least a pair of Queens and if the player is good they might see this as KK or AA.

b) We are likely faced with calling villains bet on a later street and it will be difficult to call since we have no reason to believe that he would double barrel with air.

I'm not saying that your play is incorrect here. I only make the above play about half the time, but you should have it in your playbook.-----



Agreed. It's in my playbook. I don't remember the situation in terms of time at the table or reads on the player. I probably play this situation the way I did about 75% of the time at this level at FT, including calling anything less than a 1/2 pot bet on the river, or sometimes pot overbets on the river just because it's a weak hand in a limped pot so I don't want to build the pot.

I think I have too much of a tendency to let the person who raises me on the flop take control of the hand on the turn. I think one stab OOP on the turn here is not a bad idea.





FullTiltPoker Game #4463480257: Table Lake Sahara - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:57:31 ET - 2007/12/10
Seat 1: ArkanSeb ($4.75)
Seat 2: BrushCakes ($10.90)
Seat 3: Abatwa ($9.10)
Seat 4: NineLions ($9.85)
Seat 5: wylee1238 ($4.85)
Seat 6: Elaleph ($9.25)
Seat 7: Bizaxta ($1.85)
Seat 8: Corriente Guy ($12.25)
Seat 9: jenfur ($9.95)
jenfur posts the small blind of $0.05
ArkanSeb posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NineLions [Th Ad]
BrushCakes calls $0.10
Abatwa raises to $0.30
NineLions folds
wylee1238 folds
Elaleph calls $0.30
Bizaxta folds
Corriente Guy calls $0.30
jenfur adds $0.10
jenfur folds
ArkanSeb calls $0.20
BrushCakes calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [2s 6h 4c]
ArkanSeb has 15 seconds left to act
ArkanSeb checks
BrushCakes checks
Abatwa bets $1
Elaleph folds
Corriente Guy folds
ArkanSeb folds
BrushCakes folds
Uncalled bet of $1 returned to Abatwa
Abatwa mucks
Abatwa wins the pot ($1.40)

-----I ooccasionally play this type of hand if I haven't been active for awhile. We've got position on villain so 3-betting light here is a good play if we have stats on villain that are in the range of 20-28 VP$IP which is extremely common at the microstakes. Players at this level aren't used to being 3-bet very often and when used sparingly this is a good technique to use when you haven't played very many hands recently.----


FullTiltPoker Game #4463604985: Table Lake Sahara - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:09:31 ET - 2007/12/11
Seat 1: ArkanSeb ($7.50)
Seat 2: BrushCakes ($10)
Seat 3: Abatwa ($9.45)
Seat 4: NineLions ($9.30)
Seat 5: wylee1238 ($5.05)
Seat 6: gnucat ($3.65)
Seat 7: hotlava77 ($10.70)
Seat 8: Corriente Guy ($11.75)
Seat 9: jenfur ($10)
ArkanSeb posts the small blind of $0.05
BrushCakes posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NineLions [Ah 9s]
Abatwa raises to $0.35
NineLions folds
wylee1238 folds
gnucat folds
hotlava77 has 15 seconds left to act
hotlava77 folds
Corriente Guy folds
jenfur folds
ArkanSeb folds
BrushCakes folds
Uncalled bet of $0.25 returned to Abatwa
Abatwa mucks
Abatwa wins the pot ($0.25)


-----I don't have the stats obviously, but, it looks like Abatwa is a LAG. If my observation is correct and villain is 25+ VP$IP this should at least be a call.-----



He seems LAG, since he's raised both these hands early. He was on two of my tables at the same time, I think. PT says 13/8/1.65 over 177 hands though.

My concern with both these hands is position; I don't mind 3-betting, and especially if he is playing/raising too many, but I rarely do it in this early of a position. Anyone have thoughts on 3-betting from early/early-mid?
 
tosborn

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I want to add to the last hand a little. Looking back at the hand histories I noticed that Abatwa was indeed at both tables which probably made me think that he was LAG so my analysis was incorrect. Against a 13 VP$IP this is a definate fold.

However if he was actually a LAG like I thought, my intention was to play some postflop poker and use our TAG image. If we call this I expected villain to continuation bet which he had done most of the time. Since we will have position on him my play here would have been to reraise almost any flop.
 
ChuckTs

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AJo utg:

Pretty easy open fold for me. Raising and limping are fine too depending on the conditions, but I'm usually open folding it. As played, it's an easy fold.

I don't think open limping is 87awful at all. It's like playing a small pair or JTs in the same position; limp and call any smallish raise, then try to keep the pot small unless you flop a monster. Otherwise, just dump your hand unimproved unless you think you can maybe outplay your opponents postflop and push them off a hand.

K8s:

I don't like open limping this. Should be raise/fold unless there are a few limpers ahead of us. We give worse hands a free chance to outflop us, and are completely in the dark (like your hand) when we flop something. Raise/fold pf to define your hand and your opponent's hand imo.

A9o is a pretty standard fold for me vs any type of player from EP. Yes, we could be ahead of his range but we're never comfortable postflop with a single pair, and there's of course always the possibility of someone else waking up with a bigger hand behind us. Easy fold there imo.

ATo is really not much better either.
 
NineLions

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I want to add to the last hand a little. Looking back at the hand histories I noticed that Abatwa was indeed at both tables which probably made me think that he was LAG so my analysis was incorrect. Against a 13 VP$IP this is a definate fold.

However if he was actually a LAG like I thought, my intention was to play some postflop poker and use our TAG image. If we call this I expected villain to continuation bet which he had done most of the time. Since we will have position on him my play here would have been to reraise almost any flop.

Sorry Tos; I just realized that I made it difficult for you by exporting from PT instead of sending the HH files. PT probably sorted them by time stamp, meaning since I was two tabling the two tables would get mixed together making it more confusing when someone is on both tables.
 
tosborn

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A9o is a pretty standard fold for me vs any type of player from EP. Yes, we could be ahead of his range but we're never comfortable postflop with a single pair, and there's of course always the possibility of someone else waking up with a bigger hand behind us. Easy fold there imo.

ATo is really not much better either.

If you had seen this table you might have a different oppinion. It was almost all TAG to NIT and very few hands reached showdown. I was trying to show that it would have been a good time to start applying a little pressure to find out if there would be any resistance. Also there had been 4 or 5 hands that he bet that no one played back at him. I was afraid that he wouldn't get paid off if he ever got a monster.

Although I typically like to use position to make "plays" like this, early position was where he was coming up with cards that had any semblance of showdown value. He had not stepped out of line yet and any play from him would have appeared much stronger than it really was. He went through a stretch where he played very few hands and most of what he was down was lost to paying blinds. When we picked up a hand every other orbit all we were winning was blinds.
 
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hand #1 - if you are going to limp with the a,j utg, you may aswell raise to represent a bigger hand, other than that fine

hand #2 - Played very well, but i would value bet the river putting him on weaker 8 or a deuce.

Hand #3 and 4 - very good solid folds, well respected folds
 
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