$10 NLHE 6-max: Value bet on river?

[Demonphi]

Hi guys, in this hand what do you do on river? Just call or think should make a value bet?
Villain in this hand is a big fish.


UTG: $28.96 (290 bb)
CO (Hero): $22.61 (226 bb)
BU: $10.00 (100 bb)
SB: $11.36 (114 bb)
BB: $24.45 (245 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 9♦ T♦
UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 players fold, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 3♠ T♠ 6♦ (2 players)
UTG bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.45) 2♦ (2 players)
UTG bets $1.37, Hero calls $1.37

River: ($5.19) 9♣ (2 players)
UTG bets $3.08, Hero raises to $20.09 (all-in), UTG folds

Total pot: $11.35 (Rake: $0.51)
CO (Hero) wins $10.84

 

[LevySystem]

Hi guys, in this hand what do you do on river? Just call or think should make a value bet?
Villain in this hand is a big fish.


UTG: $28.96 (290 bb)
CO (Hero): $22.61 (226 bb)
BU: $10.00 (100 bb)
SB: $11.36 (114 bb)
BB: $24.45 (245 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 9♦ T♦
UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 players fold, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 3♠ T♠ 6♦ (2 players)
UTG bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.45) 2♦ (2 players)
UTG bets $1.37, Hero calls $1.37

River: ($5.19) 9♣ (2 players)
UTG bets $3.08, Hero raises to $20.09 (all-in), UTG folds

Total pot: $11.35 (Rake: $0.51)
CO (Hero) wins $10.84

Sorry, I just completely missread the action in my first answer...

Generally I would think jamming the river is a bit thin. I don't see a lot hands we beat that will call you here. Then again, it depends on the villain. So what read do you have specifically, that let's you assume he is a big fish?

 

[300HPGOD]

I definitely dont like the jam over bet sizing on the river. I dont think there are any logical hands that would call you that you beat. Yes if villain has 102 or 103 they might call but are they limping and then calling a 4x raise pre flop with 102,103, or 106? They really shouldnt be so we have to throw those out. I would think when villain limps and then call us pre they have small pocket pairs or suited connectors. Both of which could have really hit this board with either sets or 45 and 87 suited that beat you now. Since there are definitely some logical hands that beat you like this, I would never just jam the river.

Then the question becomes should we raise here to something like $7.25-$9? Before we would make a move like this we would have to know what we are going to do when we get re raised which more than likely would be an all in. If we were to raise and get jammed on we would have to fold knowing the nature of nuts and close to nuts in their range. I would hate to have to fold after putting in that many chips with top two pair. Plus the villain is triple barreling on us here after we raised pre flop. I just call in this spot here because we could actually be beat and if we are beating them I cant think of a hand that they would have that would call our raise with us being in good shape. Take the value that the villain has given you here over 3 streets and be happy when you have the winning hand.

 

[thatguy6793]

I think jamming lost you a bit of value here. It was a non-value bet. The first issue is what it going to call you? There's very few hands that you beat that would call a river jam but most that would call a river bet you do beat. If you raised 2/3 pot you most likely would have gotten a call and could have won a fairly decent sized pot. Always remember that just winning a hand is great but you want to get as much value from every hand as possible to be a long term winning player.

 

[crazycitizen]

Hi guys, in this hand what do you do on river? Just call or think should make a value bet?
Villain in this hand is a big fish.


UTG: $28.96 (290 bb)
CO (Hero): $22.61 (226 bb)
BU: $10.00 (100 bb)
SB: $11.36 (114 bb)
BB: $24.45 (245 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 9♦ T♦
UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 players fold, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 3♠ T♠ 6♦ (2 players)
UTG bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.45) 2♦ (2 players)
UTG bets $1.37, Hero calls $1.37

River: ($5.19) 9♣ (2 players)
UTG bets $3.08, Hero raises to $20.09 (all-in), UTG folds

Total pot: $11.35 (Rake: $0.51)
CO (Hero) wins $10.84

Call me Crazy, but I like the Jam.
If he really is a big fish then I think they call a value-raise as much as a value-shove.
I agree it's very thin, and makes almost no sense. But it's whatever in this spot imo ^^
Any fish that wouldn't call that jam with JJ-AA, Tx or any 2 pair...isn't a fish.
And yes, some fish limp-call with AA

 

[Demonphi]

Thank you guys for response.. i really learn too much with you.

 

[fundiver199]

I think, it depends on reads and dynamics. If he really is a big fish, then I think, top two can be raised for value on the river, since he can then have and call with worse two pair and some one pair hands as well. I do think, its to optimistic to move all in though. Its a massive overbet, and he would be risking his entire profit from the session. So even though an overbet can lock bluffy, I think, you are giving him to much of a chance to play well by mainly calling you with hands, that beat you.

Of course as HP300GOD say, if we raise to around 8$, we need to consider, what we are going to do, if we get jammed on. But I think, we can raise-fold against a fish, because even with two pair, he is probably just going to call us, unless he is on crazy tilt or something. It is a little bit exploitable, but against a fish I would not mind it. Against a good player, who called me out of the blinds and then took the lead on the flop, I would just call down and be satisfied with getting 3 streets of value.