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Winamax Facing Lawsuit from Players Over Investigation Into Poker Bots
Have you ever reported a suspected 'bot'?
Have you ever reported a suspected 'bot'?
I've never suspected a bot because most players that I've found who win excessively do so due to BOTH good luck AND good play. It doesn't take a bot to play well when you're repeatedly dealt good starting hands and hit good flops, turns & rivers.In response, Winamax invited both players to play in front of their employees at the company’s offices in Paris. While Twopandas declined the offer, VictoriaMo did in fact play 400 sit-and-go tournaments at Winamax. VictoriaMo was ultimately exonerated by the poker room, while Twopandas was found guilty.
That meant that VictoriaMo was allowed to keep their winnings, while Twopandas was not. Both players had their accounts suspended, due to what Winamax called a “general climate of mistrust” surrounding them.
Image management?This makes no sense. Why would they suspend the account of someone that they say played in person for them and proved that he could play extremely well? Definitely looks fishy.
I've never suspected a bot because most players that I've found who win excessively do so due to BOTH good luck AND good play. Although it's a lot easier to play well when you draw good starting hands and hit good flops, turns & rivers.
I see your point, but doesn't that discourage good players from joining or staying with the site? Imagine if Stars were to start arbitrarily cancelling accounts of all the best players. That kind of collateral damage would be the beginning of the end for them. Word would get around very quickly.Image management?
Lots of stories of players getting their account blocked are going around.
For sure some try to cheat, but the rooms prefer not to take a risk as the total number of players is not too big; collateral damage accepted.
Fully agree, but what happened that these 2 got noticed?I see your point, but doesn't that discourage good players from joining or staying with the site? Imagine if Stars were to start arbitrarily cancelling accounts of all the best players. That kind of collateral damage would be the beginning of the end for them. Word would get around very quickly.
Even bringing back a meaningful loyalty program would be enough to undo the damage.
I do not know how and where to report suspicion.
I completely agree with you colleague, if the room allows itself to deceive its players, then you need to leave, but poker is not a game of chance, we play with people, and we have the opportunity to see all the cards on the board for a decision.This makes no sense. Why would they suspend the account of someone that they say played in person for them and proved that he could play extremely well? Definitely looks fishy.
I've never suspected a bot because most players that I've found who win excessively do so due to BOTH good luck AND good play. It doesn't take a bot to play well when you're repeatedly dealt good starting hands and hit good flops, turns & rivers.
Any poker site that allows cheating (either deliberately or through negligence) deserves to have the book thrown at them.
I've never told you this is very interesting, will we know about the progress of the investigation here in the forum?
I am thinking you might start with the support department for whichever site you suspect. They will give you guidance.
It is difficult to prove that these accounts are bots, so it seems to me that the court will be lost.:bath:Fully agree, but what happened that these 2 got noticed?
If these 2 had been in a game with Ivy, Negreanu, Hellmuth, etc. probably nobody had noticed anything, as all of them are walking super brains. (maybe we could catch Ivy doing some edge-sorting).
Winamax didn't arbitrarily cancel accounts of good players, only the two that got complaints; that's acceptable.
The sad part of the story:
2 player-id's accused of being poker robots.
1 proven non-bot; or it was a realy well made humaniod.
Maybe the other one is also not a bot; I would not go to Winamax (or any other room's) office, if I get invited.
+1 constructive questionI have never ran across a bot that I know of...how can you tell?