Originally Posted by vegasjj
Here is an actual event (numbers are apx. close)
BB 200,
Short 1 had 4,000 chips
Short 2 has 4,000 chips
Big stack has 12,000 chips
Betting goes in this order
S1  200; has AK
S2  600; has AT
Big  600; has Q8 off
S1 allin;
S2 allin;
Big calls
(flop QQx .. you know the rest)
It raised for me the question:
At apx what point should a BIG STACK call the short guys  ESPECIALLY when there are 2 of them? In this case he risked 30% of his stack  and he would have been left with a comfortable playable stack had he lost  but by risking 4000 he had the opportunity to win 8000  for a real big lead.
I think it was a crazy play on his part  he had 2 opponents  twice the chance to lose, way too much to risk (30%) on any 2 cards.
BUT  I wonder if there is a magic number  guideline  when risking chips on any 2 cards in a tourney (apx middle stages of tourney  itm is not too close yet) would make sense.


Just use pot
odds vs equity when your tourney life isn't on the line.
In your particular example both 'short' stacks had 20bb each and were nowhere near desperate, but actually because of the way the betting fell he was calling 3,400 to win 12,000 plus any blinds and antes, so he only needed 29% equity to make the call. Give the two short stacks some ranges in pokerstove and see how wide they need to be for the big stack's call to be correct.