Ya, this is pretty much what I was looking for, how to get into the spots to take down lots of nsd pots. Still interested in hearing from C9, I know he plays 6 max(where I'll be playing)well i generally win most of my money in non-showdown pots, because my approach involves playing speculative hands in position, and then taking down a lot of pots on the flop/turn against exploitable opponents.
ie: i'll isolate a limper with something like JTs, and then try to take down the pot with a c-bet or another type of bluff when i don't hit (and just play standard poker when i do hit).
high NSD winnings come from playing lots of pots in position, c-betting a lot, and skewing your ranges towards hands where you know exactly where you stand (ie: you either try not to see a showdown, or you try to get as much money in as possible)
basically people with higher NSD than SD bluff more. it helps if you're playing a really nitty game etc., both because you win a lot more pots, and because you get looked up a bit lighter (which is nice when you're playing a FR game where no one wants to go all-in no matter how strong their hand).
edit: that's kind of the jist of it, i'll try to post some more stuff on this later
Ya, this is pretty much what I was looking for, how to get into the spots to take down lots of nsd pots. Still interested in hearing from C9, I know he plays 6 max(where I'll be playing)
SD and NSD are connected, which I think a lot of people don't get. You can't significantly increase one of them without simultaneously losing mostly the same amount on the other one. You can play better, and increase winnings for both columns, but actively trying to skew your game towards one or the other is not worthwhile.
Consider this: The biggest winner in NSD pots is the one who shoves every hand.
We have a winner !! TBH this was something that got me very worked up last year for a few months. Really the whole thing is about balance, worry about your green line and any adjustments/leaks in your game rather than the dreaded "red line of doom and gloom". The red line naturally will be of much much greater importance when you play HU, a little less when playing 6 max, and tbh playing FR on nl$50 and below should be getting as much value as possible out of your big hands, hence you red line should be of less concern than your blue one.
had to ask, what's the green line, red line, etc?
Mine are nice, especially for FR.......I think!? 2 BI up over 4k hands this month from NSD winnings ^_^ Maybe I'm just too agressive?! Maybe that's not good but I dunno!!?? DKnight, dunno what you're game is like, but try to not Limp-call PF..... or just utilise position as much as you can . What limits you playing?
I don't really consider myself to be limping/calling too much, except an occasional limp/call from EP with a low PP. I just moved up to 10nl after about 7k hands of 5nl :\, so it does get limped to me in the small blind so i limp pretty often there. I'm running 19/12/3.7 at 10nl right now, should i be limping from small blind a little less you think?
SD and NSD are connected, which I think a lot of people don't get. You can't significantly increase one of them without simultaneously losing mostly the same amount on the other one. You can play better, and increase winnings for both columns, but actively trying to skew your game towards one or the other is not worthwhile.
Consider this: The biggest winner in NSD pots is the one who shoves every hand.
Dsvw - FP said 'significantly'. Whilst I agree that you can improve both to good effect without harming the other. To increase NSD winnings dramatically, will usually have the affect of decreasing SD to some extent.
You're AF is quite high I think? Maybe C9 will know more but does this take into account how much you bet into a pot? If it does then maybe you're betting too much on your c-bets which is causing a negative in your NSD, but like C9 said, it's really not something to start worrying bout too much. DK are you playing FR or 6-Max?
This just isnt true. You can increase your NSD winnings without negatively affecting your SD winnings. All you have to is win some pots that you'd normally fold. Bluff raises, float to steal, etc . . . This is why most people (even most winning players) have extremely negative NSD winnings. They just aren't aggressive enough and give up too easily post flop.