How do you know when you became a good player?

#1 May 1st, 2017, 5:58 PM

If you have won a strong freeroll tournament, do you think this is a reason to think you may have the qualities of a good player? Or is it a matter of luck? How do you know when you became a good player?

#2 May 1st, 2017, 6:48 PM

Perhaps the title is for a change, but I don't know how to change it!
Can the moderator change it to: How do you know when you became a good player?
I apologize and thank you in advance!

#3 May 3rd, 2017, 2:16 PM

winnning a freeroll probably means you have a good skill set to beat it playing abc poker, unless you just sun runned the crap out of it.

#4 May 3rd, 2017, 3:07 PM

It's a good question. Sometimes I think I'm good other times I suck! I have won a few freerolls so maybe I'm ok

#5 May 3rd, 2017, 3:14 PM

freerolls wins maybe good skills and luck

#6 May 3rd, 2017, 4:22 PM

You are a good poker player at your level if you can make a profit in the long run. Just one tournament doesn't say that much.

#7 May 3rd, 2017, 4:36 PM

Just check your hand history. It will tell you everything. Also, helps to improve the game.

#8 May 3rd, 2017, 5:55 PM

Poker is a game of information. To find out that a person plays well in poker, that is, in plus - you must use the statistics of programs (for example, Pokertracker 4 or HoldemManager 2).

#9 May 3rd, 2017, 6:13 PM

In fact, the quality of your game should be reflected on your credit card account or in the office of Neteller or Skrill.
A good player takes out more money than he spends on the game. Note - displays, and not just counts the amount of bankroll in the poker room.

#10 May 3rd, 2017, 6:15 PM

Originally Posted by milagua

If you have won a strong freeroll tournament, do you think this is a reason to think you may have the qualities of a good player? Or is it a matter of luck? How do you know when you became a good player?

Well, I think then !

#11 May 3rd, 2017, 6:30 PM

if you win the SNG or tournament by eliminating pro players =)

#12 May 3rd, 2017, 6:40 PM

Good time of the day, advise pozhalysta that read about the theory of poker, more interested in Texas Hold'em, but in general, thanks

#13 May 3rd, 2017, 7:45 PM

You can only know you are a good player if in the long run, regardless of winning or losing, you are consistently making good decisions. Think of it like this: Most car drivers think of themselves as above average.

#14 May 4th, 2017, 2:48 PM

All that matters is your self-awareness. You must feel stronger than you were yesterday and only then you will know how successful a player is.

#15 May 4th, 2017, 3:36 PM

I think when you're winning/profiting consistently over a large sample size in whatever you're playing (SNGs, MTTs, Cash) is a good indication that you're a good player at that level, but not at all levels.

A player crushing $1 MTTs might not fair as well in $10 MTTs.

#16 May 4th, 2017, 7:07 PM

I think the answer is pretty easy. Go to shark scope and look at your stats. It's a math based game and the numbers don't lie. After a few thousand games, what is your ROI (return on investment)?

#17 May 4th, 2017, 7:14 PM

Originally Posted by milagua

If you have won a strong freeroll tournament, do you think this is a reason to think you may have the qualities of a good player? Or is it a matter of luck? How do you know when you became a good player?

If you win one tournament, it's just luck! But if the winnings have become an integral part of your life, then it is professionalism!

#18 May 4th, 2017, 7:29 PM

When we begin to know the mistakes we make without complain of our defeat

#19 May 4th, 2017, 7:37 PM

When religious organisations come flooding to your door looking for a hand out.

#20 May 4th, 2017, 7:38 PM

Originally Posted by Zorba

When religious organisations come flooding to your door looking for a hand out.

lmao im dead...hahahah

#21 May 5th, 2017, 5:51 AM

Originally Posted by milagua

If you have won a strong freeroll tournament, do you think this is a reason to think you may have the qualities of a good player? Or is it a matter of luck? How do you know when you became a good player?

I understand your desire to ascribe yourself to good players, but bad players also win tournaments with big prizes. The quality of your game is the percentage of an error-free game

#22 May 6th, 2017, 7:29 PM

It's not just about getting the top spot in a tournament. Skill and performance is what the player is assessed. Achieving profitability on a daily basis should be enough to determine that you have wood for this.

#23 May 6th, 2017, 8:31 PM

if u win everytime at first place in tournaments, that is meaning that ur good in poker its based on luck i guess skills are also important but without luck ur skill is nothing

#24 May 7th, 2017, 5:53 AM

if you win a lot of tournaments or SnG so you became a good player

#25 May 7th, 2017, 6:58 PM

You can discuss your hand history with some more experienced players and they will give you opinion if you are or you are not "good player". In my opinion, generally you are good player if you are consistent winner in long run on your limits.

#26 May 8th, 2017, 10:28 AM

By my opinion, the luck is the most important in poker play. You need to use your knowledge but you also need to rely on your instincts and these instincts are developing with experience in poker play. So, you can always think that you are good player and lose if luck is not in your favor that day.

#27 May 8th, 2017, 10:37 AM

I don't know, because I am not.

#28 May 8th, 2017, 4:17 PM

The only thing that is really important - is to understand, that you are a bad player, even if you think you good enough, you still must concentrate on your game. I,m sure if you ask Daniel Negreanu, he will say that he is a bad player and he still has something new to learn in poker.

#29 May 8th, 2017, 6:09 PM

Originally Posted by karl coakley

I think the answer is pretty easy. Go to shark scope and look at your stats. It's a math based game and the numbers don't lie. After a few thousand games, what is your ROI (return on investment)?

umm what happens when sharkscope is wrong?

which in my case is 100% true.

I never deposited in life till jan this year to try out bitcoin on some sites

I withdrew 600 in 2015 and 800 in 2016 off acr

It says I am down 263 something says first game is nov 21 2014

now my first game was jan 2003 on acr since then its folded up sites and got everything messed up by me and now my handle thetick33777 is from doyles room which says ive played since 2005 now ive played pokerhost supposably since about that time so maybe some of the confusion but host is from 2006 lol so

sharkscope is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off on all my stats so is what it is

i did block sharkscope at one point for over year also and that messed up things more

So if you looked at me youd think im a losing player ... yet somehow my total deposit history on wpn is 35 dollars lol so emmm ya great job sharkscope lol

#30 May 8th, 2017, 6:14 PM

Originally Posted by milagua

If you have won a strong freeroll tournament, do you think this is a reason to think you may have the qualities of a good player? Or is it a matter of luck? How do you know when you became a good player?

You do not realize you just play and you see that every day you go better and you get great results and the losses you have you recognize are your mistakes.

#31 May 8th, 2017, 6:23 PM

I'm sorry but I disagree, every poker game is full of different types of players, lots of donks, aggressive players, passive and a few good all round players. In freebuys the amount of good all round players is less and the amount of donks is higher. The higher the stakes, the less donks and good players is alot higher. A freebuy win show an element of skill but to be a good all round player you have a long way to go buddy. It takes years of tournament play to be considered a good player, you must be extremely adaptable at all levels of play, each tournament is played differently depending on the situation. Once you regularly make it past the bubble and profit the better the player you are.

#32 May 8th, 2017, 6:39 PM

Good players are people who are profitable and successful in the long run. Winning any Poker tournament requires a -lot- of luck and a fair amount of skill.

You have to ask yourself, while we might qualify people like Phil Ivey, Daniel Negreanu as good at Poker, how come they haven't made the November 9 in recent years? That's the luck part!

#33 May 8th, 2017, 6:48 PM

Then when he won ten more tournaments. One tournament is solely the luck!

#34 May 9th, 2017, 5:18 AM

Win several freeroll tournaments THEN you can call yourself good.

#35 May 9th, 2017, 7:29 PM

When I see my name in lights!! LoL Usually the proof is in the pudding. When people see me at a table and the first thing they think is "Ah Crap" , I feel like I am making good decisions. I know I am getting better when I am having fun, staying in the plus and can take a punch and get back up. Play smart, stay humble and have fun.

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