How to build a bankroll and how much of bankroll for cash games?

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Hi I am interested if like example I want make 100-200$ daily with poker by playing only cash games how much I should have big bankroll to play safe?I want to have 3-4 bankrolls which will be same size to decrease bust all risk.
 
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It depends on what level you are going to play. Making 100-200 a day is pretty difficult to do consistently. I think that puts you on a pro level, 6K a month.

You should first see where your skill set falls
 
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How many tables do you want to play? 100-200 $ is quite real! If you are ready to play such limits then a reserve of $ 200 per account will be enough for you when playing the cache. I would advise you to play at an average of 0.5 / 1 $ (excellent for reaching $ 100 for a game time of 1.5-2 hours), but this game requires knowledge and experience. If you are not new to poker then it is achievable. $ 100 for the game + $ 200 on the balance. Total 300 $. Good luck :)
 
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Hi I am interested if like example I want make 100-200$ daily with poker by playing only cash games how much I should have big bankroll to play safe?I want to have 3-4 bankrolls which will be same size to decrease bust all risk.

You weren't specific about whether you want to play online or live. I am assuming online, but I will paste 3 videos, one of which is about live (because I think it is really interesting as well). Not many people talk about earnings in poker afaik, especially live. The third video is about poker players earnings, but high stakes mainly (though it is still very interesting to watch).

Pokerbank website states that somewhere 5-9BB/hour is great score, 10 and above is amazing (this is actually exactly the same goal that Andrew Neeme is talking about for live poker). According to the article, most of the players make less then 4BB or loose. So lets say that you reach the level of making 10BB per hour in the long run and lets say that you play on 4 tables. Then you would need to be playing 1/2 to make 80USD per hour, 2/5 to make 200 etc.

Play for some time and see how many BB per hour on given stake you can get to and then you will know, if this is even realistic. Maybe you are extraordinary and you will be crushing for 20BB/hour and maybe you will get just 5BB/hour. When you know how much you make after playing some representative number of hands, you can calculate your buyin. According to Doug Polk, your bankroll should be about 30-50 buyins to be comfortable and it seems like good assumption, because of downswings that eventually happen to everybody. But the catch here is that you would have to beat those stakes for 10 bigs... ;) Good luck :)

 
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Thanks my friends for help ,I suggest to more moembers to give ideas here :D.Sarniak I want play online poker because I dont have place in my city where I can play real life poker so I better play online because it is close to me and faster.I want play on at least 4 poker tables beacause I have about 1 poker year experience.I am great in freeroll tournaments but also I am good in cash games but I played with lower amounts so I want to start to risk more and get more.
 
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This is an extremely limited bankroll for such a limit. One or two bad blows and from your fantasies there will be only broken dreams.
 
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I want play on at least 4 poker tables beacause I have about 1 poker year experience.I am great in freeroll tournaments but also I am good in cash games but I played with lower amounts so I want to start to risk more and get more.

Oh, so you totally shouldn't be thinking about 100-200 USD an hour and frankly you shouldn't be thinking about money that much at all on the current level and with current experience. I am not sure what you mean by "lower" stakes, but unless you have few thousand bucks to put into the bankroll, you should just go up in stakes step by step imo. And focus on the quality of your game, not the results, which are not always paired in poker over short period of time. Being successful on freerolls and micro stakes and then just jumping into 1/2 or 2/5 to earn 100-200USD per hour is probably like poker suicide...

Do you have any large sample on stakes like 10NL, 20NL? What is your win rate?

I know that I write about Doug Polk a lot, but he is realising a lot of good content and it explains many of the questions asked here. He has a bankroll challange to turn 100 usd into 10k usd. More information here: https://www.upswingpoker.com/10000-challenge/. He is now on day 34 I think and he just took a huge downswing from 2.5k to 1.6k. I think he started playing 20NL when he was like about ~800USD, so with like 40 buyins. There are surely grinders who are better than him at these stakes (he normally plays high stakes poker), but he is still good poker player at these stakes and still he moves in stakes only when he has number of buyins that allow to play comfortably.
 
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you must have 1000bb behind you to feel safe! and the 100-200$ by a day is very difficult! you must play in 1-2$ for ten hours a day to have that winnings!
 
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I will then create 3 bankrolls which will be 2000$.I am interested where I can find software which will count how much is my winning rate.I want put my money in poker site called betcoin.ag because they use bitcoin and I really like it or in betonline so I am interested are poker tools for counting winning rate legal for use?
 
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Hi I am interested if like example I want make 100-200$ daily with poker by playing only cash games how much I should have big bankroll to play safe?I want to have 3-4 bankrolls which will be same size to decrease bust all risk.

From the way you are asking the question, it looks like you are a beginner. To make $100-200/day, you need to be quite an advanced player. You should just start with free rolls and microstakes cash tables, preferably the 1-2 cent ones, and move up slowly from there (once you consistently win at those stakes, move up a bit).
 
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I advise you to have 100 times the value of the buy in if you want to play with less risk of not being able to. If you have studied enough and know how to play well, I think one of 100 times is enough.
 
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I spend some time thinking about that also and the with limited experience I have on cash games I came on the personal conclusion that 2 bankrolls of 40-50 buyins is perfectly suitable for non professional players. But everyone should pick the stakes more personally, and still is best to start from the lowest stakes and get to higher ones with time. BUT experimenting with type of games and stakes is always useful and helpful.
 
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Well you have a very high profit marge, this is not bad... its your target and I respect it. But to start play 1c 2c of bb, you need a bankroll of 50 or 100 times the entrance(buy in) that is 2 dollars, in this kind of buy in you can win 5 buy in by day normally what gives you 10 dollars of profit.

Doing the math you can start to play 10c 20c on the big blind with a buy in of 20 dollars with you win 5 times the buy in ( this is possible, but remember that you can lose as well) you can make 100 dollars profit by day. Just remembering it is recommended to you have 50-100 times the buy in into your bankroll what makes your inicial bankroll of 1000- 2000 dollars.

If some one disagree with my calculation I would be glade to explain it better or to read your conclusion.

PS: to be able to start this kind of chalange I recommend you to be very confident with your skills and know that some days you win, some days you lose. poker is not a chess game, there is a lot of card probability on it that can make your 98% victory on the flop a big bad beat on the turn.
 
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Well you have a very high profit marge, this is not bad... its your target and I respect it. But to start play 1c 2c of bb, you need a bankroll of 50 or 100 times the entrance(buy in) that is 2 dollars, in this kind of buy in you can win 5 buy in by day normally what gives you 10 dollars of profit.

Doing the math you can start to play 10c 20c on the big blind with a buy in of 20 dollars with you win 5 times the buy in ( this is possible, but remember that you can lose as well) you can make 100 dollars profit by day. Just remembering it is recommended to you have 50-100 times the buy in into your bankroll what makes your inicial bankroll of 1000- 2000 dollars.

If some one disagree with my calculation I would be glade to explain it better or to read your conclusion.

PS: to be able to start this kind of chalange I recommend you to be very confident with your skills and know that some days you win, some days you lose. poker is not a chess game, there is a lot of card probability on it that can make your 98% victory on the flop a big bad beat on the turn.

When you say 10 $ per day, how many hours do you count and where does that 5buy ins come from? is there any literature or link about building stacjks in cash games?
 
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When you say 10 $ per day, how many hours do you count and where does that 5buy ins come from? is there any literature or link about building stacjks in cash games?

Well, it was just a idea that i had. did not remember of have read it somewhere.

The time that will take to you made 5 buy in per day is variant sometimes you will even lose. I recomend if you lost 3 buy in in a day just spot for today even if you were playing good. because poker is as theoretical as psychological if you win 5 buy in the work is done. wait until the next day to work again.
 
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Well, it was just a idea that i had. did not remember of have read it somewhere.

The time that will take to you made 5 buy in per day is variant sometimes you will even lose. I recomend if you lost 3 buy in in a day just spot for today even if you were playing good. because poker is as theoretical as psychological if you win 5 buy in the work is done. wait until the next day to work again.

So you set rather (win/loss)money sessions then fixed hourly sessions and see what comes out?
 
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So you set rather (win/loss)money sessions then fixed hourly sessions and see what comes out?

its a alternative or you can also instead of that just play some amount of hours per day and in the final see how much you profit up or lose.
 
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To make 3.000 to 5.000 per month you need to play at 50nl and 100nl, u need 40 stacks for each level 2.000$ and 4.000$ to be bust safe, assuming you know the game really really good and you are experienced in online poker, if not don’t even try.
By the nature of the question I am sure u are not experienced at all so start from 5nl to see where u stand, it took me years of online poker and live and millions of hands to be able to play at 50nl and 100nl.
 
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