$60 NLHE MTT: $$60 NLHE MTT: KK vs check raise on flop

$60 live tournament at local pub.

blinds are 100/200.
Stacks:

Hero: 23k
Villain 1: 8k
Villain 2: 45k


Limped pot to Hero in HJ who has KsKh.

Hero raises to 800
Folds to SB
SB calls (V1)
BB folds
UTG calls (V2)


Flop comes 9hThJs.

Checks round to Hero who Cbets 1400.
SB Shoves all in for 7200
UTG Smooth calls SB.

Hero - ??????

Do I spew fold here? Not too many reads on either player, V2 was a bit loose cos of his stack size. I feel my raises were too small on both preflop and on the flop.
Not too sure though.

very coordinated flop with a lot of draws you should bet more on flop aproximetly 2k in the 2.6k pot

3 left?

MasterOfDisaster said:

3 left?

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Yeah need more info on players left and payouts.

Raise more preflop, people in these small buyin live tourneys aren't limp folding. Betting the flop is fine. However once we get jammed on + an overcaller, our hand isn't in the best of shape and this board is super wet.

I haven't read the spoiler, but that's a pretty terrible flop for KK especially 3 handed. So....the flop makes us nervous but then the action leading up to your decision makes it a terrible spot. I think it's just a fold honestly.

I think you played it fine preflop (I'm assuming there was only 1 limper). And I think the Cbet is fine too. Half pot bet is pretty standard here. you could bet 2/3 pot to give a little worse odds to the draws but that is only 1,700 so not a big difference.

I disagree with the suggestion to bet 2,000 (or 75% pot) I think that's an error unless that is your usual Cbet size. You don't want your bet sizes to be tied to the strength of your hand; you want to be consistent. And if you bet bigger on the flop what is your purpose? Are you trying to get value from worse hands?- because a 3/4 pot bet is tough for 1 pair hands to call here. Are you trying to get worse hands to fold? then you're losing value. Are you trying to get draws to fold? Then you're losing value. Are you trying to charge the draws the wrong price?- because a 2/3 pot bet will do the same thing. Are you trying to inflate the pot so you can get stacks in by the river?- I think that is overplaying a 1 pair hand when you're 115bb effective.

So....when you evaluate all the options I think a standard Cbet is fine, and then a fold (given the action and the stack sizes). You're probably already beat AT LEAST once (by the big stack who flatted) and maybe the other player has a draw, or you might be 3rd best. You've got 1 pair and have 9% of your stack invested in a pot where 2 players are interested in playing for stacks. You'll have a totally workable stack if you fold. Keep it simple and just let it go.

Easy fold. I follow missjacki opinion

Missjacki nailed it on this one! Only difference in opinion is my sizing preflop, I would think if size it more like 1000-1200 but I don't fault 800 either, it's just my preference with Limper's and given the stacks involved. Time to read the spoiler!