$2 PLO8 MTT: Turn Action on PLO8 hand.

PLO8 Tourney where I think I have a significant edge on the field.
V1 has a VPIP of 36 and aggression factor of 3.2 (high for PLO8)
V2 has a VPIP of 22 and aggression factor of 1.3.

Here's the Pre and Flop action.

Game started at: 2017/3/10 10:27:2
Game ID: 862386609 100/200 $200 GTD PLO8 R/A, Table 4 (Omaha HiLow)
Seat 7 is the button
Seat 1: skutt711 (11315).
Seat 2: slabtown1953 (5180).
Seat 3: MVital23 (11520).
Seat 4: vafa18 (13365).
Seat 5: MilwaukeeDream (7925).
Seat 7: Villain2 (3000).
Seat 8: HERO (5703).
Seat 9: Villain1 (7281).
Player HERO has small blind (100)
Player Villain1 has big blind (200)
Player HERO received card: [10d]
Player HERO received card: [Jc]
Player HERO received card: [Ad]
Player HERO received card: [7d]
Player skutt711 folds
Player slabtown1953 calls (200)
Player MVital23 folds
Player vafa18 folds
Player MilwaukeeDream folds
Player Villain2 calls (200)
Player HERO calls (100)
Player Villain1 checks
*** FLOP ***: [8c Ks Qd]
Player HERO checks
Player Villain1 bets (600)
Player slabtown1953 folds
Player Villain2 calls (600)

I think you have odds to call. You don't have a low hand, however board won't make it there.

Any 9 J 10 or Ace. (4+3+3+3) = 13 outs and you have the best hands. I don't think there is any need to raise, as both villains look happy to put money into the pot.

You're probably up against a set of 8s, so if board pairs be worried.

Call.

i don't understand what is the question should you call flop?

The answer is yes if you want to be cautious and conservative and most importantly because you are oop. If you were in position raising is optimal choice.

SRY for the delay. Of course I called w my nut wrap to broadway.

Here's the turn:

Player HERO calls (600)
*** TURN ***: [8c Ks Qd] [As]

Against better players I jam this turn but with the high aggression factors for the two villains I thought a CR was best. Of course I give all sets and flush draws a free run at it but these players aren't good enough to understand that barreling on this card is a disaster.

awesome said:

SRY for the delay. Of course I called w my nut wrap to broadway.

Here's the turn:

Player HERO calls (600)
*** TURN ***: [8c Ks Qd] A♠

Against better players I jam this turn but with the high aggression factors for the two villains I thought a CR was best. Of course I give all sets and flush draws a free run at it but these players aren't good enough to understand that barreling on this card is a disaster.

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Did you check raise jam?
There are 20/44 unseen cards that can hit on the river that could improve one of the 2 villains to full houses / flushes.

Ac Ah Kh Kc Kd Qs Qh Qc 8s 8d 8h Js 10s 9s 7s 6s 5s 4s 3s 2s

If this was a heads-up pot Im ok with the check on the turn. In a three way pot, you should be making close to a pot size bet.

I'd go ahead and pot it on the turn. All the flushes and sets and low draws have to call and you want to charge them for it.

PLO8 (well I mostly play BigO but same thing) is not a game you want to slow play. I don't know about the people you are playing with but in the games I play any set, flush draw or low draw is going to take the free card if you check.

As predicted V1 bet and V2 called. At this point do you go AI or call and safely fold a paired board or flush card? Against two players I assumed it was better just to get it in but against weak players I suspect I can play the river based on action by V1 and V2.

Here's the action.

Player HERO checks
Player Villain1 bets (1050)
Player Villain2 calls (1050)
Player HERO allin (4903)
Player Villain1 allin (5431)
Player Villain2 allin (1150)
Uncalled bet (1578) returned to Villain1

awesome said:

As predicted V1 bet and V2 called. At this point do you go AI or call and safely fold a paired board or flush card? Against two players I assumed it was better just to get it in but against weak players I suspect I can play the river based on action by V1 and V2.

Here's the action.

Player HERO checks
Player Villain1 bets (1050)
Player Villain2 calls (1050)
Player HERO allin (4903)
Player Villain1 allin (5431)
Player Villain2 allin (1150)
Uncalled bet (1578) returned to Villain1

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You probably have the most equity of everyone in the pot.
The issue here is that in a 3 player situation you are at best a 65% favorite against both other players. (If one has 3 pairs, and the other is chasing a flush.)
It's more likely you are against a flush chaser and a set. In which case you have ~50% equity.

If you flat call, and the river pairs/flushes, you basically have to check fold.
If you check raise jam, you are most likely ahead of both villains, but will lose ~50%.

The right answer is probably based on how you are trying to play the tournament.

Check raise jamming and taking a coin-flip for a triple up is a good if you are playing to get a bigstack early, or bust.

Flatting is best if you are trying to play small ball.

I went higher variance and of course worst river ever landed w the 8s.

Player HERO checks
Player Villain1 bets (1050)
Player Villain2 calls (1050)
Player HERO allin (4903)
Player Villain1 allin (5431)
Player Villain2 allin (1150)
Uncalled bet (1578) returned to Villain1
*** RIVER ***: [8c Ks Qd As] [8s]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 14606
Board: [8c Ks Qd As 8s]
Player skutt711 does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player slabtown1953 does not show cards.Bets: 200. Collects: 0. Loses: 200.
Player MVital23 does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player vafa18 does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player MilwaukeeDream does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player Villain2 shows: Full House (Q/8) [3h 2s Qh Qs]. Bets: 3000. Collects: 0. Loses: 3000.
Player HERO shows: Straight to A [10d Jc Ad 7d]. Bets: 5703. Collects: 0. Loses: 5703.
*Player Villain1 shows: Full House (K/8) [Jh Kc Kd Ah]. Bets: 5703. Collects: 14606. Wins: 8903.
Game ended at: 2017/3/10 10:28:22


SHOWERS for me.

You have suited Ace with KK and QQ23 limping in plo8 preflop... ouch. Kind of weird given there AF.

Better luck next time.