Pocket tens

Push the turn or check?

Seat 1: ECartman - $58.75
Seat 2: Klimtachacka - $51.40
Seat 3: donriver - $96.15
Seat 4: Raoul65 - $60.40
Seat 5: denutzboy - $272.70
Seat 6: Bombjack - $95.50
Moving Button to seat 6
ECartman posts small blind ($0.50)
Klimtachacka posts big blind ($1)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [ ] to Bombjack
donriver raises to $3
Raoul65 folds
denutzboy calls $3
Bombjack raises to $11
ECartman folds
Klimtachacka folds
donriver folds
denutzboy calls $11
Dealing Flop [ ]
denutzboy checks
Bombjack bets $20
denutzboy calls $20
Dealing Turn []
denutzboy checks
Bombjack...

any pt stats or reads?

Playing on PKR, PT doesn't work there unfortunately. Seems to be aggressive pre-flop, plays a fair number of pots, pretty good player overall.

seems a pretty standard check

Bombjack said:

Push the turn or check?

Seat 1: ECartman - $58.75
Seat 2: Klimtachacka - $51.40
Seat 3: donriver - $96.15
Seat 4: Raoul65 - $60.40
Seat 5: denutzboy - $272.70
Seat 6: Bombjack - $95.50
Moving Button to seat 6
ECartman posts small blind ($0.50)
Klimtachacka posts big blind ($1)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [ ] to Bombjack
donriver raises to $3
Raoul65 folds
denutzboy calls $3
Bombjack raises to $11
ECartman folds
Klimtachacka folds
donriver folds
denutzboy calls $11
Dealing Flop [ ]
denutzboy checks
Bombjack bets $20
denutzboy calls $20
Dealing Turn []
denutzboy checks
Bombjack...

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Well, I'm more of a go on the moment or a feel player when it comes to poker (and life for that matter, just do what I want in the moment), but in that situation, after everything you said that happened leading up to the turn, I would raise at least $30 or even $40. Considering what occurred pre-flop how you raised to $11, and your opponent called, I'd say he's either got a AK or something alongs those lines. And with the cards that came on the flop and the turn, and he did not raise either, you should bet once again on the turn, to see where you stand. There is more in the pot that your standard rasie of $20 will not push your opponent out even if he has a straight draw, flush draw, or AK (especially considering he's the big stack at the table, so he will chase). If you double your raise to $40, you'll most likely see where you stand.

Then again I could be completely off base here, I've tried giving advice on hand-to-hand situations before on other forums i was in, and well they weren't always on the money, so take this opinion of mine with caution please.

Push

I say push for once - you've got a pair over the board, no flush draw, straight is unlikely with the PF call. My same logic as everywhere else regarding PP applies here - it doesn't make sense for small/middle PP to flat call your raise just to get heads-up with you. Judging by the chips on the table, he can play pretty well. So its unlikely he had a PP to match the board, so I don't consider trips likely.
as for push vs bet - the pot is around 60, you've only got around 60 left. Any bet you make pretty much commits you anyway, and you won't have enough chips left to push him off the pot on the river if you need to try that.

dbitel said:

seems a pretty standard check

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Let me take a wild guess here - WAWB, right?

Yep there's always the half-pot option on the Turn. Pot's at about $67 and I have $64 left... could bet $35, but then if he has any kind of draw, he's probably calling, since if he assumes I'll probably have to call for my last $30 on the river (getting 6:1) if he hits anyway, he's getting effectively nearly 6:1 on a call here, so good if he has 8 outs. So if I'm betting I probably need to push here.

zebranky said:

Judging by the chips on the table, he can play pretty well.

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Cough... just over $100 of this was from when I pushed into his 4-bet pre-flop with JJ and he called with AKo... 43% to win, but he did, the lucky thing. Should have been me with the big stack.

Let me take a wild guess here - WAWB, right?

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Actually I think you've hit the nail on the head... call me set-paranoid but I can't see there's much else that fits.

Bombjack said:

Cough... just over $100 of this was from when I pushed into his 4-bet pre-flop with JJ and he called with AKo... 43% to win, but he did, the lucky thing. Should have been me with the big stack.

Actually I think you've hit the nail on the head... call me set-paranoid but I can't see there's much else that fits.

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Well, it at least proves he's a gambler.
Which, in that case, I think I have to put him on the 7. He could be slow-playing a set (which I wouldn't recommend with a straight draw out there), but I just don't think it's likely. An open ended draw makes sense to keep calling you (A7s or maybe 78s - if he's a gambler, I can see the PF call with those hands), so I would still push.

Now, considering you posted all of this, he had a set, didn't he?

Dealing Turn []
denutzboy checks
Bombjack checks
Dealing River []
denutzboy bets $35
Bombjack folds (now beating precisely nothing except 77 or 99)


Said he had A8 suited and put me on a big Ace.

wow i thought he might actually have 99 or a higher overpair. guess i overvalue a donks utg raise.

This guy just called the UTG raise - he didn't re-raise himself.

oh whoops, misread-

huh,

Wow, I really "under-donked" this guy. He's going to call your flop bet with an 8 for TPTK? I thought he'd at least be drawing. Well, just goes to show, we all pretty much over-analyzed this one...
Not that bad on his part (other than calling PF with A8, when he says he put you on a big A).

all,

if we bet this turn, what hands do tyou expect him to call with?

dbitel said:

all,

if we bet this turn, what hands do tyou expect him to call with?

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Unless we push all-in, any 7, any 8 with a good kicker, any pair over the board, any 2 hearts.

If we push, then his odds limit him to overpairs, 2 pair, a made straight, or a open-end and flush draw.

But as you once pointed out, anybody who will play a weak Ace PF is unlikely to fold when he hits, so he might call with his A8. His odds would be wrong, but he might do it anyway.