Middle trips v. weeeeird line [25nl 6max]

Villains been pretty tight. Lots and lots of big pots going around with maarten, me and maddog.

pokerstars Game #16950424911: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/04/23 - 22:52:13 (ET)
Table 'Circe' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: MaartenOls ($24.85 in chips)
Seat 2: foscocity ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Emperor XIX ($54.90 in chips)
Seat 4: maddogmikey ($54.30 in chips)
Seat 5: From Leeuw ($60.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Dilznoofus ($30.60 in chips)
Dilznoofus: posts small blind $0.10
MaartenOls: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Emperor XIX [7h 6h]
foscocity: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Emperor XIX: calls $0.75
maddogmikey: folds
From Leeuw: folds
Dilznoofus: folds
MaartenOls: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Ts 4c 7s]
MaartenOls: bets $0.50
foscocity: calls $0.50
Emperor XIX: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [Ts 4c 7s] [7d]
MaartenOls: bets $2.75
foscocity: calls $2.75
Emperor XIX: raises $7.25 to $10
MaartenOls: folds
foscocity: raises $13.65 to $23.65 and is all-in
Emperor ??

What does this? JJ+? TT? a weird 7?

Can only see it being a FH to shove into a three way pot after flat calling the inital turn bet, i say your beat but would still most prob get my chips in because i don't pay enough attention lol.

I'd say villain's range is TT+. He's probably not raising 44 or stuff like A7 from UTG. You're either up against a boat or a "slow played" overpair. *Maybe* AsKs/AsQs but I really doubt villain takes this line with a flush draw & overs.

Villain's line is *very* strong though. If I had to guess we're probably good about 30-40% of the time here. We're getting like 1.5:1 on our shove. So we need to be good 40% of the time. Erg. Tough spot.

If you consider him a *good* & tight player, then I could maybe find a fold. I think it's pretty close. His line was so fishy (and strong). But idk, I think we gotta look him up here.

/me makes a crying call

I'm thinking he probably does this with 1010, 44.I would think for sure that he would be reraising the weak flop bet if he had an overpair, but against some of these players who knows. Even so, I think the pot is way too big to fold your trips on the turn, I hardly ever fold trips for that matter unless theres an obvious straight/flush on board

If I was in this situation, I would guess that I am beat; however, there is too much money in the pot to fold here. Plus, there's always the chance of a miracle river.

Feels like TT+ to me. JJ through AA has got to feel it's still good in this spot a lot of the time against a couple of LAGsn (I'm assuming that's what your lots of big pots comment implies).

That said, TT is a distinct possibility as well and it's the best fit for this line: if the villain's any way competent, surely with AA-JJ they would have raised the flop to protect against the draws that are out there, and surely it'd have to be a little bit scared of trips, given that you both hung around.

I think I call hoping for AA-JJ, but expect to see TT.

I dont see the 1.5:1, maybe I am missing something but Im adding 13.65 to win 40?

I think with the odds we gotta call this, you are probably beat but odds are good and I think you are good enough against his range with those odds.

Der. Yeah, my math is off. We're being offered like 3:1. With those odds, I think this is an instacall. I think we'll see an overpair here at least 25% of the time.

Anyone else?