[5nl] flopped set vs all 1 suit flop

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poker stars, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
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Hero (SB): $4.95 (99 bb)
BB: $10.01 (200.2 bb)
MP1: $7.35 (147 bb)
MP2: $10.93 (218.6 bb)
MP3: $10.43 (208.6 bb)
CO: $5.70 (114 bb)
BTN: $11.68 (233.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with T
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T
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4 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, BB folds, BTN calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 3
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J
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T
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(2 players)
Hero: ???

Villain is 33/7/1 (42 hands)
How do we get the most value out of our hand here ?
I'm assuming there's not a made flush in his hand.
He might have 1 heart he might not.
So what is our best line here ? (and later on turn and river)

Edit: is my preflop play fine too ? Me being OOP but the OR on the BTN, although I don't think a lot of people steal at 5nl,
this could be a steal raise.
 
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I am not usually one to advocate slow playing but in this spot I think checking the flop earns you more than betting. If you check it could look like you had AK and missed and are afraid of the Flush. This will possibly induce a bluff from a worse hand on the turn. I can't see a lot of hands that you beat calling here if you bet so strongly into such a coordinated board. Being out of possition is not helping. So I check the flop, bet the turn and the river. if the 4th heart hits I try to keep the pot small with a blocking bet if possible.
 
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Lead, everytime. Flush draws will over-value their equity in the pot and jam over you quite often. Not to mention if this gets checked through, that's a nightmare. You're not getting paid if there's 4 to a flush out there either. This is a horrible spot to slowplay, especially after 3-betting, so I lead for full pot.

Also, I think 3-betting TT against a 33/7 is a little thin.
 
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I totally agree with c9h13no3 here.
I'd probably make it $1 instead of pot ($.95) but it's essentially the same thing.
 
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Lead, everytime. Flush draws will over-value their equity in the pot and jam over you quite often. Not to mention if this gets checked through, that's a nightmare. You're not getting paid if there's 4 to a flush out there either. This is a horrible spot to slowplay, especially after 3-betting, so I lead for full pot.

Also, I think 3-betting TT against a 33/7 is a little thin.

Same as in the other thread, I auto-click check here too, ugh.
Why is 3-betting here thin ? Isn't 33/7 considered a bit loose ?

And what is your take on the possible steal raise ?
 
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Same as in the other thread, I auto-click check here too, ugh.
Why is 3-betting here thin ? Isn't 33/7 considered a bit loose ?

And what is your take on the possible steal raise ?
His VPIP is loose, but 7% preflop raise is not loose. And 33/7's generally don't steal blinds, because they're stupid. So its likely he has a hand, and TT isn't that far ahead of his calling range even if he doesn't fold any of his raising range:

Hand 0: 49.215% { TcTd }
Hand 1: 50.785% { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, AQo+ } (7% of hands)

So by 3-betting, you're probably folding out KT/AT type hands, which are the ones that you have dominated.
 
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His VPIP is loose, but 7% preflop raise is not loose. And 33/7's generally don't steal blinds, because they're stupid. So its likely he has a hand, and TT isn't that far ahead of his calling range even if he doesn't fold any of his raising range:

Hand 0: 49.215% { TcTd }
Hand 1: 50.785% { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, AQo+ } (7% of hands)

So by 3-betting, you're probably folding out KT/AT type hands, which are the ones that you have dominated.

I see, thank you for clearing that up.
So in the future I should just flat this ?
And every other similar situation where I have a hand like this and their PFR is on the low side, even if VPIP is rather high?
 
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I see, thank you for clearing that up.
So in the future I should just flat this ?
And every other similar situation where I have a hand like this and their PFR is on the low side, even if VPIP is rather high?
Yeah, when someone raises and their PFR is 7%, and their steal % is 7%, go ahead and put them on a range of the top 7% of hands.

Usually against players that have nitty raising ranges, I'm flatting hands like AQ/TT.

You really can't 3-bet AQ/TT/99/KQ type hands for value until villain has a wide raising range & calls a lot of 3-bets. If this guy had a raising range of like 15%, and called 50% of 3-bets then his calling range would be 7.5%, which TT isn't in too bad of shape against (50% equity). But if this guy raises 7% of hands, and folds to ~50% of 3-bets, then we're up against the top 3.5% of hands, and our equity is only 36%!
 
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that is sooooo tough and it is soooo common... but if u think about it the odds of flopping a flush are EXTREMELY low... and even if he has a flush then u still have outs to catch ur boat but idk... that is always really hard to fold and its also really hard to call ... idk what i would do there... i probably would have called.
 
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I'd agree with the majority said here, lead out here. Take the pot down. If you get called and another heart hits the turn, it's gonna be time to slow down an call a turn bet with your 10 outs looking for the absolute nuts. He may be a very passive bettor on the turn which would be what we need to look for drawing to the nuts. If he pops over the top on the flop here then I think i'd be getting all my chips in, especially at 5nl, he may have called you PF with AA or KK hoping to donk play you with a heart in the hole. If they have it made then chances are they'll try and slow play it giving you the chance to hit. Hope all prevailed ;)
 
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