$5 NLHE Full Ring: Over pair getting 4-bet

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full tilt poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1022258
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Hero (CO): $6.35
BTN: $5.03
SB: $5.30
BB: $2.17
UTG: $5.03
UTG+1: $1.93
MP1: $6.88
MP2: $3.30

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with 6 ♠ 6 ♣
UTG raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.47) 2 ♣ 5 ♥ 5 ♠ (2 players)
UTG bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.70, UTG raises to $2.54, Hero?

Now what? Should I even be in this situation?:confused:

Villain stats over only 85 hands. 10.48/8.02
 
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You were set mining and missed. Fold to the flop bet.
 
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looks to me like it's a 3bet. You're done here, throw it away. A 3bet from a nit on a paired board screams big pair. I don't mind the flop raise but raise more
 
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bgomez89 said:
looks to me like it's a 3bet. You're done here, throw it away. A 3bet from a nit on a paired board screams big pair. I don't mind the flop raise but raise more
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this this this.

Is flatting this flop a possibility though?
 
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bgomez89 said:
looks to me like it's a 3bet. You're done here, throw it away. A 3bet from a nit on a paired board screams big pair. I don't mind the flop raise but raise more
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Do you reckon players will bluff 3bet?
 
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He's a 10/8 who raised UTG. Just fold to the flop bet. Flatting it does very little since we almost always have to fold the turn. Raising does even less since the ONLY hand in his range that folds is AK. Everything else has us crushed and he can even 3bet with AK because the best hand we ever have here is like TT and he knows we have to fold it to a 3bet.

Great spot to set mine. Bad spot to continue without hitting a set.
 
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WVHillbilly said:
Everything else has us crushed and he can even 3bet with AK because the best hand we ever have here is like TT and he knows we have to fold it to a 3bet..
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AFAIK this is 5NL and most 5NL players don't fold an overpair to a 3bet or bother to assign a player a range...
 
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Pascal LeFiscal said:
AFAIK this is 5NL and most 5NL players don't fold an overpair to a 3bet or bother to assign a player a range...
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Fine. Doesn't change the fact that we're crushed more often than not and we're turning our profitable situation (calling pre to hit a set) into a losing situation by raising the flop bet or calling.

If the flop had been a beautiful 6 5 5 would you raise his cbet?
 
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Ask yourself this.

What was your preflop plan with 66?

To setmine or to outplay your opponent postflop?

If you called to setmine then that means you thought you had massive implied odd if you hit a set. Massive implied odds means he dosent fold.

If you called to outplay postflop then you cannot be setmining as you believe he can be made to fold often. But if thats the case, you could have 3bet 66 preflop.

Think what you believed his tendencies were when you made the call.. those tendencies havent changed just because you missed.
 
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Pascal LeFiscal said:
Do you reckon players will bluff 3bet?
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Some could but this is a 10/8nit, he's prob not bluffing.
WVHillbilly said:
He's a 10/8 who raised UTG. Just fold to the flop bet. Flatting it does very little since we almost always have to fold the turn. Raising does even less since the ONLY hand in his range that folds is AK. Everything else has us crushed and he can even 3bet with AK because the best hand we ever have here is like TT and he knows we have to fold it to a 3bet.

Great spot to set mine. Bad spot to continue without hitting a set.
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I haven't stoved it but are 10/8s not raising jk, kq,aq,aj,at pre?
 
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bgomez89 said:
Some could but this is a 10/8nit, he's prob not bluffing.

I haven't stoved it but are 10/8s not raising jk, kq,aq,aj,at pre?
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Well not very likely from UTG. I run like 15/13 and don't open KJ/AT/AJo/KQo and this guy is very likely opening even more narrowly. AQs might be in his range but it's likely 99+/AK.
 
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Wow that is crazy tight fur 6 max
 
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Got it mixed up with another hand that was 6 max
 
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Stu_Ungar said:
Ask yourself this.

What was your preflop plan with 66?

To setmine or to outplay your opponent postflop?

If you called to setmine then that means you thought you had massive implied odd if you hit a set. Massive implied odds means he dosent fold.

If you called to outplay postflop then you cannot be setmining as you believe he can be made to fold often. But if thats the case, you could have 3bet 66 preflop.

Think what you believed his tendencies were when you made the call.. those tendencies havent changed just because you missed.
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I just love how this guy explains things.
 
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