This is a discussion on $400 NLHE Full Ring: Preflop flat, 5-bet, or jam? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; Hero has been running good, around 500 BB stack. note this is 2/5 not 2/4
UTG+1 is fairly loose. Around 200BB
UTG+3 is tight, pretty aggressive. 400BB+
My gut feeling says 5 Bet in this situation to at least 600 (3x225 is 675). Your OOP which makes it more difficult to extract value post flop so would extract as much as possible pre-flop.
August 6th, 2018, 6:46 PM
5bet would be standard here as AK may fold to your jam.
But I don't mind flat here to induce UTG+1 to jam.
August 7th, 2018, 4:13 PM
Online Poker at: Ignition
With your image I prefer a 5bet here. I don't think we necessarily get the 3bettor to jam super often, but it's difficult to say without more info. We are also so deep with the 4bettor that I'd rather start shoveling as much in now as possible and stack off if he's willing.
From a range on range perspective, it's okay to not have a 5bet range here, but in this exact spot, it feels like it's so much higher value to 5bet that I would abandon balance.
August 7th, 2018, 6:06 PM
Poker at: Americas Car
Not sure I hate jamming if 4 better has a range of QQ+/AK especially considering we block half the AK combos weighting his range to QQ/KK. We have to consider what range we would make 5 bet here with... we definitely don't (or shouldn't) have a 5 bet fold to 6 bet jam range which means we are flatting QQ and AK and only 5 betting KK/AA and if we 5 bet KK and get jammed on a lot of 2/5 villains might only have AA... especially a tight one so there's a strong argument to be made for 5 bet folding KK which is obviously not an ideal situation. So is our 5 bet non all in range exclusively AA? because if that's the case I think I would rather see us just stick it in here with KK+ and flat AK/QQ it has additional advantages too because villain is less inclined to put u on AA when u just ship it
August 7th, 2018, 9:48 PM
Online Poker at: Carbon
re: Poker & $400 NLHE Full Ring: Preflop flat, 5-bet, or jam?
Could just call to induce a call or jam from the 3rd party. Want to get as much money in the pot preflop as possible and it may be easier to do so if you don't scare off the 3Bing person.
August 8th, 2018, 2:37 AM
Yea I think I jam here. I'd rather get it all in now rather than having to navigate potentially three handed on the flop. I'm not sure we are getting the 3-bettor to jam if you call, but I do think we get the 4-bettor in here with a jam.