$4 NLHE 6-max: At what point should I have folded

$4 NL HE 6-max: At what point should I have folded

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 36/10/3.7

Stacks:
* HDRSTER with $0.72
* BTN with $2.00
* SB with $3.48
* BB with $2.00
* UTG with $3.80
* MP with $0.80

Blinds: $0.01/$0.02
Site: full tilt poker
* * Dealt to UTG:T♠ A♠
* * Sklansky group 3
Preflop: Hero raises to $0.06
* * 1 players fold.
BTN raises to $0.21
* * 2 players fold.
Hero calls [$0.15]
* * Total folds this street: 3
* * Potsize: $0.45
Flop: Q♠ 4♦ 3♠ Hero checks BTN bets [$0.45] Hero calls [$0.45]
* * Potsize: $1.35
Turn: 10♥ Hero checks BTN bets [$1.34, and is all in] Hero calls [$1.34] BTN shows : A♣ A♥ Hero shows : 10♠ A♠
* * Potsize: $4.03
River: J♥
* * BTN shows a pair of Aces
* * Hero shows a pair of Tens
BTN wins the pot ($3.77) with a pair of Aces

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OK. So i know i should have a least folded on the turn. why i stacked i dont know. Made a bad call really. But my question was should i have folded to his 3bet pf. I called on the flop with nut flush draw and was planning to semi bluff turn if a non spade or A didnt hit. I talked myself into calling thinking second pair with nut flushdraw was good. So at what point should i have folded. Want to know how u would have played this out

Any other info on villain? whats his fold to cbet and turn cbet?3bet %?

As played i dont mind the call on the turn against a aggro fish tbh.
where geting 2-1 with second pair and atleast 9 outs against some one that very well could be holding something like JT,AK,99,flushdraw,complete air ect(obvs completly depended on his 3bet range but u didnt include it so im only going with his post flop aggression).
Just unlucky he has the top of his range.

I fold this prf unless we have some pice of info that villain 3bets very light(in witch case i prefer stacking>folding>calling but if he is unknown or you havent seen him 3bet light this is def fold ), i just hate calling 3bet OOP.

In NL you generaly want to have 2 of 3 things to continue with a hand(there are obv exceptions to this like set mining multi way pots ect but it still good guidlines imo) ,
1.position.
2.The inicitive(your the prf raiser/3bettor)
3. Good cards.
In this case u have non of the above seeing as AT doesnt really fair well against a 36/10s 3bets range.
So yeah i fold prf.

On the flop asuming he 3bets light and has a high cbet i wouldnt mind shoving/raising to commite us, seeing as in that case we should fold out a tone of his range and when called we have plenty of outs.

sindri_93 said:

Any other info on villain? whats his fold to cbet and turn cbet?3bet %?

As played i dont mind the call on the turn against a aggro fish tbh.
where geting 2-1 with second pair and atleast 9 outs against some one that very well could be holding something like JT,AK,99,flushdraw,complete air ect(obvs completly depended on his 3bet range but u didnt include it so im only going with his post flop aggression).
Just unlucky he has the top of his range.

I fold this prf unless we have some pice of info that villain 3bets very light(in witch case i prefer stacking>folding>calling but if he is unknown or you havent seen him 3bet light this is def fold ), i just hate calling 3bet OOP.

In NL you generaly want to have 2 of 3 things to continue with a hand(there are obv exceptions to this like set mining multi way pots ect but it still good guidlines imo) ,
1.position.
2.The inicitive(your the prf raiser/3bettor)
3. Good cards.
In this case u have non of the above seeing as AT doesnt really fair well against a 36/10s 3bets range.
So yeah i fold prf.

On the flop asuming he 3bets light and has a high cbet i wouldnt mind shoving/raising to commite us, seeing as in that case we should fold out a tone of his range and when called we have plenty of outs.

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THIS, You really can't stress enough how important position is with regards to playing marginal hands.

yeah a few more stats. when this hand came i had a total of 63 hands on villian. 3 bet stat was 8% (13 hands) and fcbet was 100% (2hand) cbet turn was 100% (1 hand)

aesopdurasic said:

yeah a few more stats. when this hand came i had a total of 63 hands on villian. 3 bet stat was 8% (13 hands) and fcbet was 100% (2hand) cbet turn was 100% (1 hand)

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None of those stats mean much of anything over the course of 63 hands.

You should fold to his 3bet pf.

yeah, i'm folding preflop too. AT is hard to play out of position. If an ace had hit how sure would you be that its good? Really the only value in that hand would be the potential flush/straight but that doesn't happen a lot of the time.

Thanks every1 for the feed back. Ok my question is, that a hand i shouldnt have raised wit umm i think i was UTG or in MP. If under the gun should i muck since its main value is going to be a nut flush since i have a slightly weak kicker and if an A hit not sure really where i stand. OK another question is say villian just calls and i cbet flop if reraise should muck. or villian call flop bet but than jams pot on turn what would be my play there. Jus wondering how each situation would be slightly different

when the reraise came pre flop, it was time to fold

aesopdurasic said:

Thanks every1 for the feed back. Ok my question is, that a hand i shouldnt have raised wit umm i think i was UTG or in MP. If under the gun should i muck since its main value is going to be a nut flush since i have a slightly weak kicker and if an A hit not sure really where i stand. OK another question is say villian just calls and i cbet flop if reraise should muck. or villian call flop bet but than jams pot on turn what would be my play there. Jus wondering how each situation would be slightly different

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i'm ok with the raise pf because its 6max which makes AT pretty playable, however once you got 3bet you should have folded. If the villian just flatcalled from the button and raised the flop, i still might call depending o the pot odds(since you have some outs). Your third question relies a lot on how much is already invested in the pot i would think

bgomez89 said:

i'm ok with the raise pf because its 6max which makes AT pretty playable, however once you got 3bet you should have folded. If the villian just flatcalled from the button and raised the flop, i still might call depending o the pot odds(since you have some outs). Your third question relies a lot on how much is already invested in the pot i would think

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I think once you get 3bet preflop its an easy fold.. also I might actually just fold it right away... AT utg is really tough especially when you have aggressive people on your left.. you will never feel comfortable with this hand unless you flop a flush or two pair or something...

on the flop I prefer c/r or even c/f to c/c....

I always fold preflop when I'm in similar situation. I actually call big preflop 3bet only with pocket pairs or AK.

I may call a min-raise preflop with suited connector as well, but never with Ax, because even if I hit top two pairs - I still have no idea where I am in the hand...

Don't call a 3bet oop with AT. Think about what your opponent is 3betting with. It is most likely 1010+ or AK, you have at best ~33% equity against these hands. There aren't really any problems with the postflop play, the problem was seeing the flop with that hand in a 3bet pot.

Hey thanks every1 for the comments. I think the major is the ATs UTG is a folded when 3bet from a player in late position. Thanks it was a learniing experience.

i think you should have folded preflop even before the 3x BB re raise came from the buttom...maybe a call with A10s...because it is suitedd.....??? just a terrible hand to play really....only flop your lookin for is 10 10 10 or KQJ....just toss it imo

sheepy10 said:

when the reraise came pre flop, it was time to fold

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I would agree with this statement. If you play lower limits like you would play higher limits and depending on what kind of player you are. For me there is no way i would raise out of position actually wanting them to call to go into a pot. It would be to steal blinds. Whether it is suited or not A10s is very weak hand to call down anything. I might add. A different approach, we know now that he had AA but say we didn't i think it would have been better play to either get it all in on the flop... With ur nut flush draw or just count your value and it looks like he was pricing you out making not so profitable over the long run. You have to make much less difficult decisions like this one when your preflop card selections is correct. Take care

I agree that it's a fold pre-flop.

Had you folded when you were raised you would have played it well. Your raise was the right play, but calling wasn't.

I'm throwing away anything short of AQ after being raised, and AQ/AK I'm only playing to hit well on the flop, if I miss I'm almost certainly throwing this hand away.

Your villain doesn't have one of the two requisite things you need to call this reraise preflop:

1. A very deep stack or
2. A very wide range

Raise/fold preflop.

Without any information folding pre should be the standard.

If you do have enough information about the villain to call this preflop then this flop is a very easy c/rai.

You was chasing your nut flush.It is like that on FT.You will be dealt draws very often but you'll hit only few of them.You have to think twice before you pays the bet.Try to play cheap draws.
Best of luck