25nl 6max Value 3bet gets 4bet and oop

This spot felt pretty awful. Opponent is very nitty, 3betting 3% of hands, and hasn't been 3bet himself yet. He raises EP ~8%. When he 4bets me I wanna vomit. Should I just release this preflop as it seems quite likely I have at best a 30% chance to spike a winner?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($18.25)
Hero (SB) ($35)
BB ($15)
UTG ($24)
MP ($24.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A:diamond:, K:diamond:
UTG raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.25, 1 fold, UTG raises to $8.25, Hero ???

Seems like a pretty standard fold to me. We have no fold equity, and his range is super strong. Btw, include preflop numbers, and how many hands you've played so far. That can still have an effect. And I think steal % gives you a better idea of positional awareness than EP raise %, since it converges faster. So if I were going to look at stats for this hand when deciding to shove or not, I'd look at (in the following order):

1) Fold to 3-bet
2) 3-bet % (or 4-bet % if we have enough hands together)
3) Steal %

But even then, this should usually be a fold. When we shove with AK, we're pretty much 5-bet semi-bluffing, and I don't think this guy's ever folding to a 5-bet all in. And his range isn't weak enough that AK has ~45% equity, so its pretty much a fold.

I know this might aound fishy, BUT there is no way that I would ever fold this hand preflop in a cashgame, there is only one possible hand that can have you really dominated and the possibility of him having AA doesnt get bigger when you´re holding one ace.

See a flop even though you might be behind and just fold if you dont like the flop

thekazh said:

See a flop even though you might be behind and just fold if you dont like the flop

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Your odds of flopping a flush draw are about 10%, and the odds of flopping a pair is about 30%. You're just not going to hit enough flops to justify flatting a 4-bet. Additionally, its really hard to get paid when you hit an A or K, since underpairs won't pay off. Since his 4-bet is kinda small, calling wouldn't be a huge mistake, but I'd prefer that we be at least $35-40 deep before flatting a 4-bet becomes viable.

c9h13no3 said:

Your odds of flopping a flush draw are about 10%, and the odds of flopping a pair is about 30%. You're just not going to hit enough flops to justify flatting a 4-bet. Additionally, its really hard to get paid when you hit an A or K, since underpairs won't pay off. Since his 4-bet is kinda small, calling wouldn't be a huge mistake, but I'd prefer that we be at least $35-40 deep before flatting a 4-bet becomes viable.

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Ok, what action would you prefeer in this given situation then? Fold or Push?
I mean honestly how many players laydown AKs preflop at $0.10/$0.25 ?

thekazh said:

Ok, what action would you prefeer in this given situation then? Fold or Push?

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Mase31683 said:

Opponent is very nitty, 3betting 3% of hands

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Fold seems good. We've just invested so little in the pot, sacrificing our ~40% equity is totally fine. If we had 4-bet, and they had shoved, we'd be insta-snap calling.

Calling is a viable line if the following conditions are met:

1) The 4-bet is small. This one is kinda smallish, but we're still only getting 2.3:1. And while this may seem like a decent price, you've got to keep this in mind: We can still flop an A, K, or flush draw and lose. Also, our opponent may be holding 2 of our aces, or two of our kings, so the odds of us flopping a pair then would be even lower. So I, personally, would require more than 2.3:1 to see a flop.

2) Our opponent must c-bet everything. If he has JJ, he must c-bet an AKQ board. Because often our opponent is going to have a hand like JJ, and we've got to make up for our bad call preflop by making some money postflop when we hit. And since this guy is a nit, he's probably not c-betting everything. Wouldn't hurt if our opponent was capable of shipping his whole stack in on a bluff either.

So yeah, it all comes down to this:

-We have a tiny amount invested.
-We have less than 40% equity against his range.
-Calling the 4-bet out of position just isn't going to be profitable. It might be a small mistake, but so is folding (if it is a mistake).