re: Poker & $25 NLHE 6-max: KK, 4bet pot, OOP, 500BB deep
Originally Posted by IPlay
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4 (http://www.pokertracker.com)
Hero (MP): $256.63
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K<font color='red'>♦</font> K<font color='black'>♣</font>
fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO raises to $2.25, BTN calls $2.25, fold, fold, Hero raises to $8.65, fold, BTN calls $6.40
Flop: ($19.90, 2 players) 3<font color='red'>♥</font> 4<font color='red'>♦</font> T<font color='red'>♥</font>
Hero checks, BTN bets $11.34, Hero calls $11.34
Turn: ($42.58, 2 players) 9<font color='black'>♣</font>
Hero checks, BTN bets $26.22, Hero ???
Readless 25z on Bovada. Is it fair to say turn is a shove/fold spot? If we flat turn there is 318bb behinds going to river ~380bb pot. If I flat turn is there any rivers I can fold? If answer is no then turn should be shove/fold right? Is it safe to say my range is fairly face up as an overpair on the turn?
I don't cbet the flop because I don't want to face a raise and I don't think there is a worse hand I can get 3 streets of value this deep in a 4 bet pot so I really want to start pot controlling right away.
What range do you think villain is flatting in a 4 bet pot pre this deep? I assume villain is a reg since he is sitting at zone with a 500bb deep which isn't that easy to do for a fish unless they are on a serious heater.
I wish to summon the deep stacked boss Duggs himself! HALP!!
PS: I think I am going to start leaving zone when my stack is 250bbs+ to make spots like this much easier.
Im no expert and im pretty out of practice but here goes
4bet seems ok, but we definitely need to be bluffing here, poster below basically said we shouldnt have a 4betting range which I think is way too narrow. I think we actually have more incentive to 4bet bluff since our continuation bets become much more effective with more leverage and he cant really 5bet us very wide at all. Like it even more with the flatter, tossing up sizing, but its definitely not too small, could argue for a bit bigger but im just nitpicking.
4bet range should be something like KK+/A2s/A3s/A4s/AKo/ATs maybe. If we want to get frisky we can throw in more bluffs but KQs AQs AKs AQo AJs JTs all QQ- all seem like fairly obvious flats, (with history could see an argument for value betting QQ/JJ/AK aswell but absent that im fine with this as a starting point.)
His cold calling 3bet range is probably something like 99-QQ halfcombos of KK/AA with some random suited connectors AQs/AJs/AKs/77+ thrown in sometimes if he is overadjusting for stack depths. But he should be 5betting some of those as a bluff and some of the AA for value.
when we get to the flop I think we are doing ok, if that range is accurate he has 5ish combos that beat us and 18 combos of bluff catchers and maybe 30 that whiffed completely. We dont want to put stacks in as the bettor here because he will fold too much I think.
betting range should look like AA/bluffs/ATs and our checking range should look like KK/any give ups. Thats fairly defined but that shouldnt matter when his range is weaker than ours.
x/c looks fine on the flop.
turn doesnt help him that much, although a card below 7 would have been better for our range. Its definitely not a jam/fold situation, much prefer a call/see what happens on the river. Jamming only forces him to play perfectly against us in what is a pretty polarised spot. I would call the turn and then fold river based on the fact that even good regs wont triple in a 4bet pot enough with deep stacks.
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