re: Poker & $25 NLHE 6-max: Donk bet TT on wet flop/turn
Originally Posted by Xmaster
Thanks for your replies guys! Always funny your comments Timovieman
Good to know that making a fool out of myself can at least entertain others.
My thinking was, that if I call a cbet, I can also bet out myself. This way I accomplish a few things:
1. I'm paying off his overpairs off anyway 1 or 2 streets.
2. If he has the nut flush draw, he will pay for drawing. Otherwise he might chose to only bet his made hands and check behind the nut flush draw multiway. And even if he cbets with A in clubs, he might check behind on the turn if he misses. So he pays only one bet, for seeing two cards.
3. If he has AT+ without the flushdraw, he's probably not cbetting anyway. If he checks, all players would see a free turn card, so I rather try to get value from big flush draws
4. If he has a set or a bigger pocket pair with a flush draw, there is at least a chance that he raises, and I can safely lay down my TT, having lost only one bet. Because I don't think, that a player on that level is aggressive enough, to bluff raise there with only the nut flush draw in a multyway pot.
What do you think about this?
Because you're out-of-position without knowing what he has in his hand, he can pretty much play his hand perfectly here.
He can draw with the Ac as long as he has the odds
to do so, he can fold if he has nothing (AK no clubs, for instance), and he can call down overpairs as long as no club falls.
And if he has the nut flush, then he can slowplay your ass to the river.
If you check on the flop, he's going to make his intentions clear immediately: if he c-bets normally, then he has the nuts or at least the Ac, if he c-bets big, then he has an overpair but no club and wants to charge the max to those with the Ac.
If he c-bets big, you're pretty much dead in the water. If he doesn't he can still have you beat so it's best to just call and re-evaluate on the turn.
A lot of his AcK hands will check the turn through, while the rest will likely value-bet the turn again.
If the turn checks through and the river is not a club (or A or K, or Q or J for that matter), then you still can't really bet out since he won't be calling with A-high. Your best chance is if he's stupid enough to bluff a whiffed river.
Highest EV line is probably: c/c c/f c/c
Which is pretty darn horrible. Which is why I wouldn't mind a simple c/f on the flop.