[200NL] JTo gets checkraised on T-high flop - line check

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I'm filtering for spots where I'm raised with a weak top pair on the flop, and this is the second hand for today. I think I played this fine, but wouldn't mind some input on bet sizing and alternative lines to take.

Villain plays 20/14/1.8. High 3-bet from the blinds (8-9%), but does not go to showdown much.

I bet the flop for value, and because there are a lot of turn cards that will be scary for me. I bet the turn when he checks because his flop check/raise could be a hand like J9 or A9 and medium PPs or QJ, and I don't particularly want to give a free card, nor do I want to call a river bet.

In hindsight, my turn bet was a bit on the large side. I could probably have gone for halfpot. Other thoughts?

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party poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: $200 (100 bb)
MP: $245.50 (122.8 bb)
CO: $374.35 (187.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $200 (100 bb)
SB: $241.65 (120.8 bb)
BB: $546.10 (273.1 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with J
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T
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3 folds, Hero raises to $6, SB folds, BB calls $4

Flop: ($13) 2
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9
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T
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9, BB raises to $28, Hero calls $19

Turn: ($69) 3
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BB checks, Hero bets $45, BB raises to $164, Hero folds
 
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I never see the double check-raise above microstakes, so you'd think the c-r on the flop is probably a bluff once he checks the turn.
 
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If he has a set, I think him checking the turn after I call the flop is perfect versus me. I mean, what do I have? I clearly have something, and that something is going to want to bet for protection very often. And with the weakest part of my range, my draws... Well, if I flat his flop raise with, say, QJ, then I'm going to bet the turn 100% of the time when checked to. So he maximizes versus my draws, and versus my made hands. I wonder if I'd be able to fold AA when he check/raises the turn. Probably not, although in practise AA is not that different from JTo, except that it has more outs versus T9.

Maybe that's not such a minor difference. 6 extra outs versus his most likely hand can certainly push it towards a call with AA but fold with JT.

Moving away from the hypothetical and back to this hand, though, I'm basically having to answer "is this a bluff?", and he needs to bluff... What, 30% of the time? Yeah, almost exactly 30% of the time. And it's even MORE than that, because some of the time, he'll be bluffing but draw out. So he needs to not have a hand a very large portion of the time for me to be able to call.

As a sidenote, I do this myself with a hand like QJ in his spot. I'm not sure he's smart enough to, but versus an opponent who can read hands and make folds, it's not at all a bad play: We checkraise the flop as a semibluff, and we check the turn because we want a free card. When the free card is denied, we can call, but not really, because we don't have the right odds to draw. But throw the rest of the stack in and we'll make some money off of the folds, and we'll draw out often when we're called.
 
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I don't think a set/9T checks a drawy turn like this all that much. I honestly wouldn't be suprised if this is a hand like QJ or 87 that doesn't want to lead turn because they figure they have alot more fold equity this way. Calling it off is probably spewy without history tho, but without history i think it is perfectly fine to check behind and snap off a river bluff if you are intending to fold to a crai on the turn, instead of going for relatively thin value (for 6m).

Maybe it is coz i play HU, but i'd be mighty tempted to snap this off on the turn with some history, coz there is just no real reason for 2 pair/set to risk giving you a free card on such a drawy board. KT/AT might play like this tho. I just don't think he is ever trying to give you rope to hang yourself with QJ coz if he has a monster and you check behind a hand like that he has to bet any river and has to call off any river shove so it is just a ridiculously bad reverse implied odds spot to be checking a strong hand.

I really think this is a draw alot of the time, because you are right, there isn't much you can have here that can call a shove. And by playing a draw this way you either get a free river card, or get to crai with alot of fold equity. fwiw, i think i snap call with AT here vs alot of players and the only difference between JT and AT here is if KT and AT are in villain's range. Course, again, i play in hyper aggro HU games so take it with a grain of salt.
 
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