This is a discussion on $200 NLHE Full Ring: Live - when should you call WA/WB and why? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; I'm working on my understanding of way ahead/way behind. Specifically, I'm trying to come up with a process for deciding when I'm calling/folding.
Situation: live $1/$2
$200 NLHE Full Ring: Live - when should you call WA/WB and why?
I'm working on my understanding of way ahead/way behind. Specifically, I'm trying to come up with a process for deciding when I'm calling/folding.
Situation: live $1/$2 at a local casino - max buy in is $100
Villain is UTG - he seems loose but perhaps he just plays a wider than average range. I've only seen a couple of orbits. He is drinking coffee - not alcohol. Has a stack a little over about $400.
Hero - me - in the cut-off. drinking soda water, literally taking notes on each hand I play. My stack is about $150.
Villain, UTG, bets $8. The table average appears to be $4-6, but dude's sizing always seems to be about larger than I expect.
I'm holding and call.
I think there could be a case for three-betting here, but since I haven't yet built my stack, I'm happy to take position advantage. $19 in the pot.
Villain bets $12
My instinct is to always raise the table bully, but thanks to this website, I recognise that I'm either way ahead, or way behind and opt instead to be gentle to my stack and just call. Pot is $43
Villain checks - This implies that the flop-bet was a standard c-bet. I don't have enough time at the table to have noticed his c-bet ratio. In my mind dude could have AA, I'm not sure he raises threes so agro from UTG, and I'm not convinced that he bets a set of queens, or a set of kings. I feel like any high ace is in his range, the bet is huge if he has KQ, I'm not sure you're 4x-ing JT from UTG. I think tens, nines, big aces and airballs are the reasonable range...
I really want to bet to find out - but a better hand is simply going to call or shove, a bluff would likely shove too. My conclusion is that since I have a "medium hand", I'm going to see showdown as cheaply as possible, so I check behind.
Villain bets $30 into the pot of $43
The board has paired. I'm not thrilled. I think a full-house isn't likely on account of that flop-bet. Ace-5 seems to be pretty awful scenario. King-Queen is also pretty awful, but is dude really betting 4x from UTG for King-Queen.
Question: my hand at this point is basically a bluff-catcher. What odds should I be looking for to call? Have I missed something?
I don't want to be results-orientated - I want to come to a process for deciding if this is a call or a fold.
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Villain made an OOP suicide bluff against you.You should play against him as much as possible. It only takes a couple hands to figure out someones skill level or lack of,also their mindset. This player doesn't seem to follow the board or the hand.
January 19th, 2018, 6:12 AM
Game: Hold 'Em
What criteria should I be considering in making that call? It just felt "wrong", but obviously that's not an awesome approach to the game
January 19th, 2018, 12:35 PM
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re: Poker & $200 NLHE Full Ring: Live - when should you call WA/WB and why?
Hard question, some ideas for food of brain.
On the flop I would say we call when board is so that we know that we can potentially call at least 2 streets (not many bad turn cards), or we know villain likes to CB.
On the river, if we check turn, we try to call as much as we can, that is safe river cards against active opponent, but fold against passive ones.
Against active one OTR we just give him an range and see if we have the odds to call, when we invest all we know about ranges with texture and opponent, if there is enough possible hands left to bluff, typically draws missing are good places to give more hands to bluff for villain.
We mostly always fold to 3barrel, and strongly consider folding to 2 barrel against tight player, would that be flop bet – turn check – river bet or bet-bet-
But I’m not even closely sure any more about anything in poker But maybe there is something really wrong what I said and new things are learned.
January 19th, 2018, 8:24 PM
John A [5,503]
Std river call against someone like this live. And against a bad live player, when you check the turn, you open up your opponents bluffing range (more than it should be). So those are good odds on a call, and small% your opponent sometimes bets w/ a worse Qx as well.