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nameless1537
Rock Star
Silver Level
$2 NLHE Full Ring: Did I bet the right amount on turn? Should I have bet on the river?
pokerstars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BTN: 83.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: 80.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 6)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 25 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.04, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 1.47, Hands: 172)
Hero (MP): 97.5 BB
MP+1: 95 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP+2: 107.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 6)
CO: 79.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9h 8h
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 9 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 6 BB
Flop : (28.5 BB, 3 players) Qs 5d 7c
UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn : (28.5 BB, 3 players) 6s
UTG checks, Hero bets 14 BB, BTN calls 14 BB, fold
River : (56.5 BB, 2 players) As
Hero bets 14 BB, BTN raises to 55 BB, fold
BTN wins 81.5 BB
As you can see, this was done early in my session so I had little data to go on in terms of knowing the tendencies of my opponents.
So let me walk you through my thinking process in here. One of the areas of my game that I'm working on is my 3bet strategy... and one of the ideas is that if I'm going to 3bet someone who is raising in EP, then I don't really want my cards to overlap with theirs (although I guess it matters less if I'm in position as I could just use my position to my advantage). Nevertheless, I like to 3bet with suited connectors right around this range (or if it's a value 3bet when I have very strong hole cards) and if the cards that show up are less than broadway cards, I'll likely raise any continuation bet thinking that the flop wouldn't hit the UTG raiser. Of course, I had no data on whether anyone would call behind me on my 3bet but hey... if someone wants to call me on the button, that's their prerogative right?
Anyway, I didn't cbet on the flop (even though I had a gutshot straight draw) and nobody hit either... so presumably the flop hit nobody or someone is slowplaying a set... or maybe paired up with the low card). One thing I'm also trying to do is cut back on my cbet frequency -- it's been identified as being too high (at 93%) in pokertracker... so I figured that not hitting the flop strong and playing against two other players is a good place to just check the flop.
On the turn, I got my straight, but the spade also gave others a flush draw on the river. So to counter that, I decided to bet 1/2 pot on the river... to discourage someone to fish for the flush. In hindsight, should I have bet the full pot to really protect my hand? Or overbet the pot? Especially since I got my gutshot straight and the nuts so far? And if I overbet, how would I handle the river if called (and got that dreaded 3rd spade to plant that seed of doubt in my mind).
In any case, the button called and the river was the As to complete the flush draw. I did not have the strongest hand, and yet I decided to throw out a bet anyway, hoping to get a call if button paired something on the board or something. But instead, he raised on me and given his passive play in this hand so far, I am assuming that he was drawing for something, and very possibly a flush. So I folded against his re-raise.
Was my mistake on the river actually throwing out a 1/3 (approx) sized bet? Or was my mistake folding on the re-raise? If I checked the river, should I have had a bet size in my mind that I'd be willing to call? Maybe like a 1/2 pot max?
pokerstars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BTN: 83.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: 80.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 6)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 25 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.04, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 1.47, Hands: 172)
Hero (MP): 97.5 BB
MP+1: 95 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP+2: 107.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 6)
CO: 79.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9h 8h
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 9 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 6 BB
Flop : (28.5 BB, 3 players) Qs 5d 7c
UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn : (28.5 BB, 3 players) 6s
UTG checks, Hero bets 14 BB, BTN calls 14 BB, fold
River : (56.5 BB, 2 players) As
Hero bets 14 BB, BTN raises to 55 BB, fold
BTN wins 81.5 BB
As you can see, this was done early in my session so I had little data to go on in terms of knowing the tendencies of my opponents.
So let me walk you through my thinking process in here. One of the areas of my game that I'm working on is my 3bet strategy... and one of the ideas is that if I'm going to 3bet someone who is raising in EP, then I don't really want my cards to overlap with theirs (although I guess it matters less if I'm in position as I could just use my position to my advantage). Nevertheless, I like to 3bet with suited connectors right around this range (or if it's a value 3bet when I have very strong hole cards) and if the cards that show up are less than broadway cards, I'll likely raise any continuation bet thinking that the flop wouldn't hit the UTG raiser. Of course, I had no data on whether anyone would call behind me on my 3bet but hey... if someone wants to call me on the button, that's their prerogative right?
Anyway, I didn't cbet on the flop (even though I had a gutshot straight draw) and nobody hit either... so presumably the flop hit nobody or someone is slowplaying a set... or maybe paired up with the low card). One thing I'm also trying to do is cut back on my cbet frequency -- it's been identified as being too high (at 93%) in pokertracker... so I figured that not hitting the flop strong and playing against two other players is a good place to just check the flop.
On the turn, I got my straight, but the spade also gave others a flush draw on the river. So to counter that, I decided to bet 1/2 pot on the river... to discourage someone to fish for the flush. In hindsight, should I have bet the full pot to really protect my hand? Or overbet the pot? Especially since I got my gutshot straight and the nuts so far? And if I overbet, how would I handle the river if called (and got that dreaded 3rd spade to plant that seed of doubt in my mind).
In any case, the button called and the river was the As to complete the flush draw. I did not have the strongest hand, and yet I decided to throw out a bet anyway, hoping to get a call if button paired something on the board or something. But instead, he raised on me and given his passive play in this hand so far, I am assuming that he was drawing for something, and very possibly a flush. So I folded against his re-raise.
Was my mistake on the river actually throwing out a 1/3 (approx) sized bet? Or was my mistake folding on the re-raise? If I checked the river, should I have had a bet size in my mind that I'd be willing to call? Maybe like a 1/2 pot max?