$2 NLHE Full Ring: AA facing a 3bet on flop? What is the most profitable play here?

#1 October 27th, 2017, 1:14 AM

This is my first post in this thread, I hope I did it right(yes I read the rules.

I was "attempting" multi-tabling at the time so I don't have much more info than what's below, hopefully I'll have more next time:

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD & Database

NL Holdem $0.02(BB)
BTN ($0.6)
SB ($5.48)
HERO ($2.5)
UTG ($2)
MP ($1.52)
MP ($1.36)
HJ ($2.5)
CO ($3.83)

Dealt to Hero A♥ A♣

UTG Folds, MP Calls $0.02 (Rem. Stack: 1.50), MP Calls $0.02 (Rem. Stack: 1.34), HJ Folds, CO Calls $0.02 (Rem. Stack: 3.81), BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $0.09 (Rem. Stack: 2.39), MP Calls $0.09 (Rem. Stack: 1.41), MP Calls $0.09 (Rem. Stack: 1.25), CO Calls $0.09 (Rem. Stack: 3.72)

Flop ($0.45) 2♣ 2♥ T♥
HERO Bets $0.22 (Rem. Stack: 2.17), MP Folds, MP Calls $0.22 (Rem. Stack: 1.03), CO Raises To $0.66 (Rem. Stack: 3.06), HERO Calls $0.44 (Rem. Stack: 1.73), MP Raises To $1.03 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00), CO Raises To $1.18 (Rem. Stack: 1.88), HERO Raises To $1.73 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00), CO Calls $0.55 (Rem. Stack: 1.33)

Turn ($6.48) 2♣ 2♥ T♥ 6♥

River ($6.48) 2♣ 2♥ T♥ 6♥ 3♦

MP shows A♠ 2♠

CO shows 2♦ A♦

MP wins $1.98
CO wins $4.15

#2 October 27th, 2017, 2:19 AM

With three limpers in front of you, and the tendency of micros players to be reluctant to fold once they have put anything in the pot, I would have raised to 0.14. You need to thin the herd.
BlackRain79 recommends even bigger here:

http://www.pokerlistings.com/how-to-beat-poker-s-microstakes-pre-flop-strategy-pt-1

As played, after the call and raise they may have Tx, 2x, flush draws, or an overpair on the flop.

The good news is that against that range you have 40% equity.
The bad news is that because of the raise, we should weigh their ranges towards 2x or TT.
The raise comes after a bet and a call, so it wouldn't be an ideal spot for a semi-bluff with a flush draw. But we can't rule it out, especially at the micros where people sometimes bluff when they shouldn't.

I'd ponder folding here, but I'd call CO's raise and play cautiously on the turn and river.

I recommend against posting the outcome of hands until you have gotten some feedback. Thanks for sharing the hand.

#3 October 27th, 2017, 4:07 AM

The problem was your bet pre-flop. It was way too small. you had 3 limpers Sb and your BB in the pot for $0.09. You raised $0.07, when a normal opening raise in a penny game is ~3Xpot. I usually add the BB for each limper, call it $0.15.

With a $0.07 raise the first limper calls $0.07 to win $0.16. The second gets a even better deal $0.07 to win $0.23. The third caller is paying $0.07 to win $0.30, darn close to true odds. Your AA plays well against a single hand but not so great against 3 Villains. Your objective is get all but one Villain to fold and they won't fold to such a small raise. Assuming they all have a 20% calling range, against 3 callers you are only a 60/40 favorite. Against 2 70/30 and against one 80/20.

As played, the 1/2 pot bet is good, but when you are called and then 3-bet alarm bells should be going off. At that point you have to fold.

#4 October 27th, 2017, 4:15 AM

Originally Posted by AlexTheOwl

The raise comes after a bet and a call, so it wouldn't be an ideal spot for a semi-bluff with a flush draw. But we can't rule it out, especially at the micros where people sometimes bluff when they shouldn't.

I'd ponder folding here, but I'd call CO's raise and play cautiously on the turn and river.

I recommend against posting the outcome of hands until you have gotten some feedback. Thanks for sharing the hand.

I'm going to check out that link, and thank you for the thread and hand advice

#5 November 2nd, 2017, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by TheBigFinn

As played, the 1/2 pot bet is good, but when you are called and then 3-bet alarm bells should be going off. At that point you have to fold.

Hey Finn, why do you like the half pot raise in EP with that many players behind? I think, players with any pocket pair, 10 or 2 would call or 3bet in that spot and then you are left in a horrible position on the turn, particularly if u get more than 1 caller.

Thanks

#6 November 2nd, 2017, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Clysse

Hey Finn, why do you like the half pot raise in EP with that many players behind? I think, players with any pocket pair, 10 or 2 would call or 3bet in that spot and then you are left in a horrible position on the turn, particularly if u get more than 1 caller.

Thanks

Being OOP is already bad, but Hero has the initiative and not betting won't get anyone to fold. If you check and then get raised you call, and then what. You have told Villain you hand is marginal. Do you can expect to see a bet on the turn, with little chance of mLong your hand better

#7 November 3rd, 2017, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by TheBigFinn

Being OOP is already bad, but Hero has the initiative and not betting won't get anyone to fold. If you check and then get raised you call, and then what. You have told Villain you hand is marginal. Do you can expect to see a bet on the turn, with little chance of mLong your hand better

The reason im not sure i like that line is because its pretty impossible to rep anything except pocket pairs on that board given the preflop action, so even marginal hands like pocket 9s or js will likely float a cbet on the flop provided the action is not being 3bet before them. So all the hands that you can conceivably hope to beat will either fold or call, and all the hands that have you crushed (like A2s or pocket 10, or if in the lower stakes even something random like 1 gappers 42s) will also call, due to the multiway nature of the pot. A check call is probably better because the real information is gonna be revealed on the turn (provided the pot doesnt end up in a HU situation)

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