$2 NLHE 6-max: 2 NLHE: shoving aces in the river

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 26/21/12

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 4 players
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ZotaLoveCash (UTG): $3.05 (153 bb)
N00bF4CE (BU): $6.72 (336 bb)
Sareteus (SB): $2.04 (102 bb)
yael141201 (BB): $1.17 (59 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero (yael141201) is BB with A A
1 fold, N00bF4CE (BU) raises to $0.06, 1 fold, yael141201 (BB) 3-bets to $0.10, N00bF4CE (BU) calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.21) 7 4 4 (2 players)
yael141201 (BB) checks, N00bF4CE (BU) checks

Turn: ($0.21) 5 (2 players)
yael141201 (BB) bets $0.06, N00bF4CE (BU) calls $0.06

River: ($0.33) K (2 players)
yael141201 (BB) bets $0.16, N00bF4CE (BU) raises to $1.14, yael141201 (BB) calls $0.85 (all-in)

Total pot: $2.35 (Rake: $0.14)

Showdown:
N00bF4CE (BU) shows 4 4 (four of a kind, Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: >99%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

yael141201 (BB) shows A A (two pair, Aces and Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: <1%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

N00bF4CE (BU) wins $2.21
 
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Preflop
I suggest to play cash games with 100BB to learn deep stacked play. In my opinion this is, that a game like 2NL is for. 3-betting is of course fine, since you have the nuts, but your size is way to small. You are not getting enough value by clicking it back, and you are not cutting down on their implied odds. 24c is completely fine, when you are out of position. At 2NL people will still call a lot, and even if they fold, that's fine. You win the hand and move on to the next one. Its never a problem, when people fold, even if you have the nuts.

Flop
Kind of the same story. You are still slowplaying. Why? Just bet and get some value from a hand, which is still very likely to be best. Around half pot or even a bit less is fine on this texture. Pot should have been 48,5c, so maybe bet 20c.

Turn
Now you finally start to put some money in the pot, but its to little to late. As played you can bet 14c here into the 21c pot. You need to make it look like, you are bluffing. The whole hand scream, that you dont want him to fold, but there is no reward in poker for getting to showdown and let everyone know, you had aces.

River
For the first time in the whole hand you size your bet properly. But why did it take 4 attempts? Now he raise you and go all in, so you got, what you apparently wanted. You "trapped" him. Unfortunately he had you beat, and honestly this is, what you often get, when you slowplay. So as punishment for this hand you should write on the blackboard 100 times "I will never slowplay again".
 
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Your min 3 bet out of position preflop allows villain to see a flop cheaply with great implied odds. And he hits, and gets your stack.

3 bet to about 9 BB in position, and about 11 BBs out of position.
 
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What others said, you have to 3bet big and bet big. And yes play 100bbs, but regardless your goal should be to double your stack not win 10 cents.

There is no way to be a winning player if you try to win very little with your strongest hands, because you will lose much more with your weaker hands.
 
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1. 3 bet a lot higher Preflop.
2. Never check a dry flop like that, you want to build a pot with your monsters so make sure you bet and bet big at least 70% of the pot. Population says you make more cash building a pot with bets of 70% than trying to win a small pot some of the time. Don’t be put off if they fold after you bet. They will still fold regardless because they have nothing anyway, so bet big!
3.Turn bet again should be 65/75%, this sets you up for a river shove, if you had a full stack. Always play with a full stack, always auto top up to make sure you have always got a full stack.
4. Consider folding if you bet again and get shoved on, provided you are deep stacked. This is an automatic fold if you both had 300BB at the start of the hand. Because you started the hand with just 59BB you are obliged to make the river call because of the odds, (if bet correctly) But please note, at these low limits, Villains always NEVER bluff in this situation. If a villain shoves like this, they have it almost every time.
Finally do not feel you have to get stacks in because you have AA post flop. If the board runs out wet and you face action especially multi-way, just fold the aces because you are beat. But work on your 3 bet sizing and stop checking your big hands. I see it all the time at micros. Villain or Hero is aggressive Preflop, hits their set and checks. Build the pot up immediately and if they fold, you wouldn’t of won anything anyway.

Best O Luck

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But please note, at these low limits, Villains always NEVER bluff in this situation. If a villain shoves like this, they have it almost every time.

That is true, but as this hand played out, Villain could certainly be raising the river for value with AK. And whenever we beat some of our opponents value hands, we usually cant fold. The problems in this hand really began with preflop. If Hero had sized his 3-bet better, then 44 probably fold, and if he does make the call, now he is at least making a mathematical mistake. So this is a classic case of creating your own cooler by playing preflop incorrectly.
 
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Your first mistake is bad betsizing. On the preflop, a player from utg makes a bet, and you just minraise it. You give your opponent good pot odds and he is, of course, called. The flop has a dry board and you don't bet. What does the check give you? What information about the opponent's hand strength? Nothing! You play oop, but you have the initiative, and you just lose it. It is clear that your opponent will never fold a four of kind hand, but you might lose less if you knew the strength of your opponent's hand. On the turn, the second peak comes and straights become possible, and you again make a small bet, give good pot odds. On the river comes a good map for us, but we only have an over pair. The opponent made a bet from utg, and then made a call, there are a lot of pairs in his range, including KK, and therefore, on the river, he can have sets, full houses, four of kind, after the raise, the only correct decision was fold
 
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The opponent made a bet from utg, and then made a call, there are a lot of pairs in his range, including KK, and therefore, on the river, he can have sets, full houses, four of kind, after the raise, the only correct decision was fold


I think, its important to not focus on possible mistakes on the river, if there were big and obvious mistakes earlier in the hand. If we fix those earlier mistakes, we dont see the river like this again, so our river decision does not even matter.
 
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I think, its important to not focus on possible mistakes on the river, if there were big and obvious mistakes earlier in the hand. If we fix those earlier mistakes, we dont see the river like this again, so our river decision does not even matter.


I think you're right
 
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