100NL-6 max - KK w/ A on turn

I was speaking w/ a buddy of mine about how I played this hand and we definitely disagreed about what to do on the turn. Let me know what you would do and why?

Hand #1673011464000277: Chelsea (6-Max) 11464
Seat 1: Bob$*** (104.02 in chips)
Seat 2: slip*** (51.85 in chips)
Seat 3: HERO (98.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Roy7*** (104.95 in chips)
Seat 9: sey*** (154.45 in chips)
Seat 10: ibcr*** (34.15 in chips)
whupped: posts small blind $0.50
Roy7***: posts big blind $1
Bob$***: posts dead blind $1.50
Dealt to HERO [ Kh Kc ]
sey***: folds
ibcr***: calls
Bob$***: checks
slip***: raises to $6
HERO: raises to $16
Roy7***: folds
ibcr***: folds
Bob$***: calls
slip***: calls
@@@ F_L_O_P @@@ [ 9c 5d 8h ]
HERO: bets $37
Bob$***: calls
slip***: folds
# # # TURN # # # [ As ]
HERO: ?????????????


Sorry about the HH, it's from Cake.

Raise more preflop. I jack this to atleast $20 preflop. As for turn play I Ch/call a bet/shove from villain. By betting you fold out everything you beat since the A is on the board now. Villain is also never folding an Ace here after calling the turn bet, so you have no fold equity against hands that are beating you. By checking u give villain a chance to bluff the hand.

Agree with BW. What Ace is he floating you with in a 3bet pot (other than AA)? You're either crushing TT-QQ that would fold if you bet or you're crushed by a set. He's showing up with a single Ace here almost never.

Yes I agree with raising more preflop it helps to avoid sticky situations like these...I dont know about the check/call on the turn...You really think that this guy would call a third of his stack with like AK?..unless he flopped a set...This is tough but I think I would still bet/shove the turn and shove river unless he is a total donk and you think he might call off a third of his stack with AK on a low board really highly unlikely tho

jmasterrich said:

Yes I agree with raising more preflop it helps to avoid sticky situations like these...I dont know about the check/call on the turn...You really think that this guy would call a third of his stack with like AK?..unless he flopped a set...This is tough but I think I would still bet/shove the turn and shove river unless he is a total donk and you think he might call off a third of his stack with AK on a low board really highly unlikely tho

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The problem with leading out on the turn is that you allow him to fold all those TT-QQ hands you have crushed and he only continues with hands that crush you. Unlike his range ours realistically includes a few hands that contain a single Ace (AK and maybe AQ) that we may have cbet on the flop and then hit on the turn.

Please 3-bet to 20-24 preflop (we're oop), and agreed with others here on what to do postflop.

lets say you did raise more preflop... would you call a check/call a shove or a very large bet(more than pot) on the turn in this situation?
just have been thinking about this hand and it came up in my head.

lets say you did raise more preflop... would you call a check/call a shove or a very large bet(more than pot) on the turn in this situation?

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Yes, easily since over half our stack would already be in the pot.

$123 in the pot, <$50 left in our stack. Shovey dovey.

Thanks for the input!
My line was to shove the turn and my pal siad what most of you all said. After reviewing it I guess a c/c would have been the better line. FWIW i did lose this hand to a set of 8's. Maybe a larger pre-flop raise would've folded him out but don't I really want him in the hand?

becomingpoker said:

Thanks for the input!
My line was to shove the turn and my pal siad what most of you all said. After reviewing it I guess a c/c would have been the better line. FWIW i did lose this hand to a set of 8's. Maybe a larger pre-flop raise would've folded him out but don't I really want him in the hand?

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You do want him in the hand, but you want him to make a mistake to stay in the hand. Here he had to call $10 for the chance to win ~ $100, although less than ideal those odds are good enough to see the flop and hope for the set. If you make the raise to as small as $20, he's making a mistake if he calls because now he's only getting 7 to 1.

jmasterrich said:

You really think that this guy would call a third of his stack with like AK?

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Not to mention he just checked his post. Doesn't sound like any decent ace. I agree with the mob here. You're pot stuck at this point and an ace is very unlikely. Now the only task left is to maximize value versus the hands you beat. IMO, this means check-call anything.

bigger bets would of forced a lot of decent hands and only keep
Great hands like AA or other pps. He wouldn't call a big bet with only overcards

Results?

becomingpoker said:

FWIW i did lose this hand to a set of 8's.

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There it is!

When he called the after flop bet I would have been scratching my head wondering what he had. I probably would have put him on a pock pair maybe js or qs. I would not have put him on ace rag though since he called your bet. I would have went for it even after the ace showed. I would have lost too though.

check it .. if he bets less thn 15% of the pot its an auto call so see what the river has to offer.If how ever he does something crazy like 2 3rds of the pot its an auto fold.Or if u have a good read on this guy and dont think he has and Ace trust ur hand 100 % thts kinda allways my rule.

rimor said:

check it .. if he bets less thn 15% of the pot its an auto call so see what the river has to offer.If how ever he does something crazy like 2 3rds of the pot its an auto fold.Or if u have a good read on this guy and dont think he has and Ace trust ur hand 100 % thts kinda allways my rule.

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What kind of poker books have you been reading? Hellmuth's book?

vanquish said:

What kind of poker books have you been reading? Hellmuth's book?

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Reading poker books!?!?!?!?!? You kill me!

Just trust your gut imfo.

i would put him on nothing else than a set, with JJ QQ he wouldn't checked that flop ever. straight ? no way. so there was nothing clear than a set.

Edit : Or the last thing i would imagine than set, AA but still very low chances