Originally Posted by BenLZ
1/2 live, effective stacks 300. Table is loose passive. I'm OTB with 86ss.
There's a $5 straddle.
A decent reg limps. A fish (playing something like 90/2) limps. I decide to limp with 86ss OTB (anyone issues?)
Straddle (new player) raises to $25. Everyone calls. Pot is $100.
Flop is Ah 7s 3s.
Everyone checks and I bet $50 hoping to take it down. I think this is standard. Straddle folds, decent reg repops to $100 and fish folds.
I decide to call because I'm getting decent odds to draw. The pot is $250 and it's only another $50 to see a turn. I think I'm getting 5:1 on a call here so I'm priced in, plus the $100 behind which are implied odds.
The turn bricks. Reg shoves (pot is $300, we have $100 behind). I figure I'm not getting odds at this point so I fold.
Alright.... Here goes.
So we have the BTN, and some napkins (8-6s). It's a straddle, so we can almost count on dude raising the option.
So, given our position, and cards, we can raise the BTN. Every person that limps, it looks weaker and weaker. Limping the BTN here looks like what it is, rags.
So, we can raise, or fold. Raising probably doesn't accomplish much, so I say just fold pre.
As played, you limp, it gets popped by straddler, and you call. Fold pre as played.
On the flop, check back. take the free card. We have 8 high dude. When dude C/R you, it looks like a set probably, maybe As-Xs. Fold to that. We don't call the flop C/R, and fold turn. Lighting money on fire dude. Plus, this is multi-way, and you are pretty optimistic if you think this bet is going to get through. Not likely dude. We don't build pots with 8-high. We keep them small.
So, officially, fold pre, or raise. If we do raise (not preferred), we cut it to like $17-$20. But seriously, just fold pre. 8-6s is not a good hand dude. no.
Now, on the flop, when we bet (should have checked), then dude C/R, we are getting caged. Calling and seeing turn, then folding is so awful it tilts me a little just thinking about it. Not to mention, we aren't drawing to the nuts, and reg could easily have As-Xs (I would C/R that maybe), or sets. We have to know he's shipping the turn. So if we call flop, we might as well just get it in, and see turn+river. But, weeeeeee, gambooling.
If we decide to raise the BTN, we must consider our image, and what the table thinks of us. If we have tight/winning image, we might be able to get away with murder.
No disrespect, but this whole hand is just lol bad dude. Just fold pre. Play tighter. You are just playing passive fish bingo like the rest of the droolers.