Is there a way to beat razz cash games?

I know razz is basically like the abcs, a systematic game that is all about catching cards. I'm sure anyone who plays it, knows the system, so does anyone think there is a way to beat it?

Zash said:

I know razz is basically like the abcs, a systematic game that is all about catching cards. I'm sure anyone who plays it, knows the system, so does anyone think there is a way to beat it?

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There is no way to beat a poker game, there is no system. If you want to win, play good.

razz is the only game where you can "KNOW" without any uncertainty that you have the best hand. I can play holdem for 40 hands and go back and think wow i wish i played this hand different, or wow that was a mistake. Not in razz tho. Say im playing razz heads up, if i lose then it was because about 10+ hands...i was hammering away with him showing k109 and me having 10-8 low, at every street up til 6th or 7th, and not only did my opponent improve, i didnt improve. To me i have to catch really bad cards to get beat in razz, only problem is i cant stand playing it, and in mtts i like big fields, razz usually only draws 50 people.

For sure you can beat a razz game. It's called patience and then betting. Against a loose table I say go ahead and draw to your 8 and 9 low. Otherwise look for the 6 and 7 low against tighter more solid players. I know this sounds simple and obvous. There is some room for aggression in razz like in holdem but u have to pay a little more attention to your opponents and what is showing. Also a tight image is good. That way when u decide to bluff that KQ2 starting hand you will get a little more respect. But like all other poker games you have to know just who u can bluff.

petey5o said:

To me i have to catch really bad cards to get beat in razz, only problem is i cant stand playing it, and in mtts i like big fields, razz usually only draws 50 people.

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interesting... I don't think I've played a razz MTT with fewer than 100 people in it. The nightly 24+2$ at FTP typically draws over a 100. Probably depends on what level you play and what site, but almost all of the ones I play at Stars and FTP do have fields of 100 or more runners.

skoldpadda said:

interesting... I don't think I've played a razz MTT with fewer than 100 people in it. The nightly 24+2$ at FTP typically draws over a 100. Probably depends on what level you play and what site, but almost all of the ones I play at Stars and FTP do have fields of 100 or more runners.

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The 5k on FTP and pretty much anything that isn't Guaranteed Prize Pool on either Stars or FTP rarely get over 100. Some of the games on Stars are lucky to get 30.

Makwa said:

There is no way to beat a poker game, there is no system. If you want to win, play good.

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right on unless you can solve this formula: at^2 + bt + c + sin(dt^2 + et + f) = 0 it will tell you when you will have ACE, 2, 3, 4, 5

I dont play a whole lot of razz...just seems more like a game of luck then of skill. You just have to take advantage of what you can see and manipulate other peoples minds on what they can see.

Sorry but you're completely wrong. There is much more skill in Razz compared to holdem.

You always see the same regular players reach the final table.

In holdem you just pray that that you hit the flop with razz you're reading your position, counting the cards etc.

24Trip said:

I dont play a whole lot of razz...just seems more like a game of luck then of skill. You just have to take advantage of what you can see and manipulate other peoples minds on what they can see.

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i think razz can be beat fairly easily actually. at the low levels, people don't even know what game they're playing half of the time. really, the biggest thing to learn is that the less hands you play starting out, the better off you'll be. tighter starting hand requirements will be the key to success in razz. and in stud games in general actually.