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I would like to know what are the odds, of KK running into AA, now this might sound nuts, but I swear everytime I've picked up KK, someone on the same table, had AA, it's kinda getting rough you, to constantly be running into the best hand preflop, with the 2nd best hand is somewhat mind boggoling.

So can you all tell if i'm at fault for over playing KK, this for mtts, btw and not cash.

Usually we end up all in preflop, because I'll raise utg or w/e postion I'm in at that moment and then get a reraise, which then makes me rereraise, and then the push.

Now the crazy thing is that it's only me and one other player, it's not like it's a raise, reraise from me, and then a rereraise, from someone else, and the orginal raiser pushs, no, no, it's just 1 person against me, always one person against me, that's all it is, and I can't tell in those type of situations, can someone tell me, if i'm wrong by pushing or by calling there push or how to even spot AA, when you got Kk
 
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well I'll say the percentage that will ever had was by 1 out 27 what ever that odd may be like 3% well i guess it depends how many players are in a table.
 
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asianpride54 said:
well I'll say the percentage that will ever had was by 1 out 27 what ever that odd may be like 3% well i guess it depends how many players are in a table.
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I'm talking about full table mtts, either early on in the mtt, or in the later stages it really does'nt matter, except for the fact that I keep on running into them:(
 
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It goes like this from time to time. I'm on a similar horrid run of KK losing to AA. And no, virtually everyone I know will get it in pf or the flop. Very few ppl will fold it pf, and only someone with excellent hand reading skilz will fold it on a non ace flop.
 
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asianpride54 said:
well I'll say the percentage that will ever had was by 1 out 27 what ever that odd may be like 3% well i guess it depends how many players are in a table.
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That's about right I believe, maybe more like 24:1 at a FR table (9-10 plyrs).
 
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naruto_miu said:
I would like to know what are the odds, of KK running into AA, now this might sound nuts, but I swear everytime I've picked up KK, someone on the same table, had AA,







Color me just a tad cynical but..............................:)
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Jagsti said:
It goes like this from time to time. I'm on a similar horrid run of KK losing to AA. And no, virtually everyone I know will get it in pf or the flop. Very few ppl will fold it pf, and only someone with excellent hand reading skilz will fold it on a non ace flop.
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Oh Ok, i'm not the only person on this run, but it's kinda crazy ain't it:eek: , how can you get kings, and always runnnnnnnnnnnnnn into aces, so there's virtually no way around it is there? I should just except the facts. I've really thought and thought, about folding it, but I mean (really, how can one fold kings, when it's only one person, but oh well, i'll just have to ride this out I guess:( )
 
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asianpride54 said:
well I'll say the percentage that will ever had was by 1 out 27 what ever that odd may be like 3% well i guess it depends how many players are in a table.
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Well, you could look at an odds table or make some calculations that are a little too big for my brain. If you don't get an answer soon, ask me and I'll do the calculations.

The chances of any given hand being AA are 220:1. If you're at a ten handed table, there are ten shots for AA so about 22 to 1 odds against anybody having AA. If you don't have it, then the chances of somebody else having AA are about 25:1. If you have a pocket pair, that always slightly INCREASES the chance that another player also has a pair. It might seem to you like somebody always has AA against your KK, but in reality it doesn't happen more than one time in about 24+ at a full ring table.

The chances of you having KK AND somebody having AA is even worse. Your chances of having KK are only 220:1, so you have to meet that criterion before the second can apply.

My degree of confidence in this answer is about 75%, so I welcome well-reasoned corrections.
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Well that sucks if ur running into AA like that but ur not wrong for pushing or calling a raise. Doyle says if u got KK and u get a reraise u have to put em to the test for all their chips
 
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Well that sucks if ur running into AA like that but ur not wrong for pushing or calling a raise. Doyle says if u got KK and u get a reraise u have to put em to the test for all their chips
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You're right. But Doyle doesn't say you're guaranteed to win. Lots of people think it's an injustice if your AA or KK doesn't hold up, but the reality is it's SEVEN CARD GAME.

Besides, if you follow Doyle's advice - you'll protect your good hand and not give the opponent the odds to draw. But if you follow his advice literally and go all in with every big hand, you're leaving chips on the table. Your bet needs to be big enough so that you're taking drawing odds away, but small enough that you keep poorly skilled opponent in the pot. If you're up against somebody that still draws against an overbet, they just made a big mistake. They might suck out, you might lose this hand - but you should be happy to be in a game against such a bad player.

If you're suggesting you should go all in every time you get AA or KK, that's really stupid. I see that move and it's just ridiculous. Here you have the best starting hand in poker and you get NO VALUE for it? You chase everybody out and settle just for the blinds? You might be hoping for a call, but that will only happen if you have idiots at the table. If you're convinced there are idiots, go for it. But it's usually an idiot that does a move like that.

A bad player will try to win the pot before the flop. A better player has more confidence in his post-flop play.
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Here is the rule: If you can get it all in PF with AA or KK then do it. There is almost no situation where that is mathmatically incorrect. The exceptions are tournament specific and have to do with not playing any hands on or near the bubble, or when two huge stacks collide and things like that. So screw the odds. They are with you. Thats all you need to know. Do not make the mistake of letting variance change the way you play-don't start playing like a pussy. KK is a good hand. PF there are only 6 possible combinations of hands out of 1325 (6/1325) that are beating you. If you are playing in a way where you are trying to reduce your variance, as in a tournament situation, just call that RR, make sure an Ace ball does not hit the flop, then shove. A lot of those RR's are going to be hands like AQ, AJ, Axs, AK, etc. I think it was TJ Cloutier who said that during those PF raise wars the 3rd raise (open raise, re-raise, re-re-raise from the opener) is Aces 99.9% of the time. Its something to think about. Another thing I like to ask myself while profiling my opponents (its like a mini game) is "How would this guy play Aces?" Then if he gets Aces, I see how he plays them, and see if I am right.
 
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just bad lucky when u get aa vs kk i think when u plays longs tourneys kk not would be folded maybe in the last leves u have to think it
 
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naruto_miu said:
I would like to know what are the odds, of KK running into AA, now this might sound nuts, but I swear everytime I've picked up KK, someone on the same table, had AA, it's kinda getting rough you, to constantly be running into the best hand preflop, with the 2nd best hand is somewhat mind boggoling.

So can you all tell if i'm at fault for over playing KK, this for mtts, btw and not cash.

Usually we end up all in preflop, because I'll raise utg or w/e postion I'm in at that moment and then get a reraise, which then makes me rereraise, and then the push.

Now the crazy thing is that it's only me and one other player, it's not like it's a raise, reraise from me, and then a rereraise, from someone else, and the orginal raiser pushs, no, no, it's just 1 person against me, always one person against me, that's all it is, and I can't tell in those type of situations, can someone tell me, if i'm wrong by pushing or by calling there push or how to even spot AA, when you got Kk
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Probably about the same as even GETTING K-K OR A-A!
 
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2Lillies said:
If you can get it all in PF with AA or KK then do it.
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You can always get it all in. The question is, can you get the other guy to get it all in. Going all in yourself is usually not the way to do it.
 
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RickH2005 said:
Probably about the same as even GETTING K-K OR A-A!
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Wrong, Rick. Read the fricking responses. It's about 24:1 at a ten-handed table. Not 220:1.

Some people read the OP, then respond immediately without reading the thread to see that the post has already been answered. Then you give a WRONG answer. Why?
 
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