Online Poker tells?

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I was reading an article about online poker tells. They talked about several scenarios and it made some sense. I howerver never seem to make a good read about online tells. So now I dont really consider them much anymore.
 
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The only tell there is the amount of time it takes to make a decision. Online "Tells" are way to easy to fake. I wouldn't even consider that a tell because good players wouldn't act super fast with the nuts or take forever with a draw. The most important thing would just be betting patterns and player statistics in my opinion.
 
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slow play

The one tell i have noticed and use often myself is slow playing the nuts. If you have decent cards and put in a raise and an opponent takes his time to call and does so the same on the turn, it's probable he has the nuts. It is then time to think about giving up on the hand. especially if he raises you on the river.
 
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There are a lot of online tells. You have to be at the table for a bit though. Also, you can't count on the guy yelling: "woohoo!" when he flops an A high flush. Was this helpful in anyway, or ....
 
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In the FT Academy there's a lesson on online tells I found really useful.
 
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I like to fake tells with taking time or acting really fast... works really good for me
 
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You need to be careful and judicious when "reading" these tells. Sometimes a player has simply taken a phone call or is otherwise delayed so that slow playing check call is just another river chaser.

Betting patterns are a big thing I look for and you really need to keep an eye on players when your not in involved in a hand to develop an idea of their range.
 
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One thing ive done recently that has helped me put people on hands is play "Limit" Holdem. Usually 0.25/.050. You see alot more rivers wether youre in the hand or other opponents and can get a better idea if your reads were correct without costing you all your chips like at a "no limit" table.
 
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After reading this post earlier & the comments following it, I went back over a bunch of stuff I have saved on my other puter (I have TONS of stuff saved). My main reason was to look for a link I'd saved re: tournament articles (some really good stuff by the likes of Rizen, Jennifear, gidders, Foucault, Danny THE_D_RY Ryan, EpicATC, & a bunch of others)... but also went looking for articles re: online tells.
I dug up around a half-dozen articles - a few pages of stuff. If you're interested in reading about some of them & of ways to counteract/exploit some of them (ie. some level3 thinking stuff) I'd be happy to post some of it.
... back to some more reading!
 
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Yea I like to see some post on the tells. Do not know why but I have been paying a bit more attention to the timing and results of the hands.

I know it really puts a monkey wrench in peoples game when I play slow. Usually I am just trying to get some coffee or pull the tab on a cold one. Lots of times it really puts opponents on Tilt.:icon_thum
 
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Try this......

Online Tells

Or just try using the search option, and you will find a TON in CC alone
 
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Yes, the speed at which players play their hands seems to be the biggest tell, although that can easily be faked. Not to give too much credit to your opponents though. Bet patterns are also another good indicator.
 
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Yes, the speed at which players play their hands seems to be the biggest tell, although that can easily be faked. Not to give too much credit to your opponents though. Bet patterns are also another good indicator.


Betting patterns are the BIGGEST tell.

Speed or timing of the bet has TOO many variables to rely on it effectively without betting patterns.

If a person is crisp and timing is always fold, bet, or raise in a timely manner; and then suddenly changes to a lag or timing out...... you have to ask why that could be. What if their friends just showed up at the door? Or what if they just got a phone call?

In online poker (just like live poker) you have to consider ALL the factors together. You can not, and should not, rely on just one factor alone.
 
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If you're interested in reading about some of them & of ways to counteract/exploit some of them (ie. some level3 thinking stuff) I'd be happy to post some of it.
... back to some more reading!

I'm not the author of the OP but I think that would be really great. I really trust your judgement when it comes to books and articles--you have a way of separating the wheat from the chaff and have helped me avoid investing in a lot of junk reads.
 
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The amount of time an individual takes is not the only online tell there is. Look for people who auto-fold, auto-check, auto-call....etc. Someone who auto-folds often can be seen as a more tight players, while someone who auto-limps may be playing looser. I also try to use the chat box to gain some info after a hand
 
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The only online tell I can be sure of is if villain folds, he probably is not drawing.......:cool:
 
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its almost impossible to tell what someone has
 
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I find it very difficult to spot tells online. I like to go with my gut as well as look to find betting patterns. Position and patients pays off for me in the long run.
 
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Like a lot of the other people here I agree that it is way to easy to fake a tell with the amount of time you use. Also, with it being so, easy to multi-table, that also, slows people's game down, or sometimes they aren't completly focused on just that game. I do think though, if you can pick up on betting patterns that, that can be a really good tell to use.
 
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the two things I'd go by are betting patterns and statistics
 
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If you're interested in reading about some of them & of ways to counteract/exploit some of them (ie. some level3 thinking stuff) I'd be happy to post some of it.
... back to some more reading!

I would be interested in this as well. You input is always appreciated!

As far as the timing thing goes, IMO it is only a tell if the player is a real fish. I use timing all the time to try to hide my real intention and I think any savvy player will. If I have a good hand I will often take time as if agonizing whether or not to call or to look like I am stealing so I can raise and get called. I bet real quick when bluffing to look like I have a real easy raise here. And as soon as I go to showdown, like when I take a long time as if weak but am strong, the next time I am strong I will bet quick to look weak and so on. I notice this in other players so timing is more of a tool then a tell for me.

I do notice newbies that have certain readable patterns, but better players use timing so I always watch betting patterns and keep notes like:
Checks when weak
Min bets when strong
Good player so good luck with this one lol
WYSIWYG (what u see is what u get), one of my favorites since so many players bet so obvious, a raise means strength, a check means marginal at best, a fold means...... uhhhhhhhh ok....:)
 
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After reading this post earlier & the comments following it, I went back over a bunch of stuff I have saved on my other puter (I have TONS of stuff saved). My main reason was to look for a link I'd saved re: tournament articles (some really good stuff by the likes of Rizen, Jennifear, gidders, Foucault, Danny THE_D_RY Ryan, EpicATC, & a bunch of others)... but also went looking for articles re: online tells.
I dug up around a half-dozen articles - a few pages of stuff. If you're interested in reading about some of them & of ways to counteract/exploit some of them (ie. some level3 thinking stuff) I'd be happy to post some of it.
... back to some more reading!


pls, make a new post and give us what you have.
 
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Here's one of the articles I have.
This one is by 'Jennifear', a well-known & very successful lowstakes SNG coach.

The Online Tells That Are Most Telling - by Jennifear

The perception of online poker is that it is a game of mathematics, and that people skills are not involved. This couldn't be further from the truth. Next time you are in your favorite live place to play, look around for pre-action buttons, screen names, an avatar, and a chatbox. Chances are you won't find any of these things. The people aspect of the game is more apparent online with every feature added to our online cardrooms, and furthermore, unlike live play, where the players take great pains to disguise their actions and try to act the same every time, online these players often let their guard down, figuring that this "people aspect" has been eliminated from the game. If you are attentive, you can crush these folks, and I'm here to tell you how!

Betting speed tells:

- The Instant Call After a Bet

Your opponent is trying to convey strength by calling quickly, but in reality, likely does not have the goods....yet. Your opponent is more than likely on a draw, and beware of any turn card that might complete his hand.

- The Instant Raise After a Bet

Your opponent has the goods this time and was looking to raise no matter what you did. If you have queens preflop in position after a raise and a reraise that fit this category, strongly consider laying them down.

- The Quick River or Turn Bet

Your opponent hasn't given much thought to whether he wants to bet his hand, because he is strong and does want to bet. Most bluffs or plays take at least a half-second to develop in the brain, and if this time isn't being used, it's likely a good hand.

- Pre-action Check/Fold Button

Your lazy opponent who uses this is almost certainly weak. You will see him instantly check, and you'd better believe that you can bet the next street.

- Pause, then Bet

By pausing, your opponent is subconsiously trying to get you to believe that he is just thinking about betting before deciding to make a borderline bet. Don't be fooled, he has the goods.

- Pause, then Check

By pausing, your opponent is subconsciously trying to get you to believe that he is just thinking about betting before deciding to make a borderline check. He is trying to scare you into checking behind. Don't be fooled, bet right now!

- The Quick Check

An instantaneous check also indicates weakness, but if followed by a raise, it's deception. Bet at will, but be prepared to fold to a check-raise.

Table Chat Tells:

- "I'm Allin, It's Bedtime!"

He has the goods. Call with the strongest hands only.

- "Let's Party!!!" (allin first hand of MTT or SNG)

He has the goods. Fold anything less than KK.

- "Next Time You Raise My Blind, You Are Allin!" or "Just Wait Until I Have a Hand, Sucker!"

He doesn't know how to combat your aggressive style, so rather than fighting you on the table, he is trying to scare you into changing the way you do business. Continue putting the heat on this guy until he proves he can play back.

- Idle chatter by the person in the Big Blind

This guy has nothing, as someone with a real hand will prepare themselves for their action, watching intently. Raise this blind at will with anything.

- Chatterbox Who gets quiet....all of a sudden

This guy may very well have the goods, use some of your time bank to see if he resumes chatting, and if not, proceed with caution.

- "You Guys Are a Bunch of Donkeyfish! I Haven't Won a Race All Day!!!"

He may as well wear a sign that says "I AM ON TILT!"

- "How Can You Play That Crap!"

This player plays the "right way".. and in his mind, the right way is weak-tight.

- A player who comments on a hand he wasn't involved in

...is paying attention to the game when he's not in a hand. Same player who gives his opinion is the old "professor" type. Chat this guy up, and tell him how super-awesome he is at poker and ask him if you did the right thing on several plays. He will proceed to drop his entire strategy in your lap.

- "Call me You Chicken!" or "It's Time For You to Fold!"

If an opponent is trying to influence your decision in the chatbox, whether he is trying to get you to call, raise or fold, he likely has the goods. A bluffer will not say anything in the chatbox for fear of giving someone a clue, and although you can't see it, a bluffer is silent behind the computer screen, frozen solid, and won't answer his wife's question until the hand is over, or breathe for that matter. He certainly isn't typing.

Cash Game Tells:

- Failure to Wait For the Big Blind

Your opponent is careless enough that he doesn't realize the value of half of a big bet. He is impatient. Stick around and take his cash.

- Failure to Auto-Post in a Game With Antes

Your opponent is likely new to this specific game or just wants to play one or two hands. Most likely a fish.

- Buying In With a Weird Amount Like $40.98

It's probably his entire bankroll. He is playing over his head. Fish.

Name/Avatar Tells:

- Child as an Avatar

It's probably really your opponent's child, and you can deduce his age within a few years by the age of the child.

- PocketFives.com, Training Site Avatar

Not your opponent's first rodeo. Be wary of these guys. However, your opponent also doesn't have the wherewithal to disguise the fact that he knows his stuff.

- Staking Site Avatar

Your opponent needed to be staked before because he went broke. Plays over his head.

- 420 Inside Name

Your opponent smokes pot and is proud of it.

- Avatar of a Lesser Known Poker Pro

Your opponent follows the game and probably has more than a clue.

- Avatar of a Grizzly Bear, Shark, Fisherman, or Mean Dog

Your opponent sees himself as a predator.

- Avatar of Opponent Wearing Sunglasses or Staring You Down

Your opponent is paying attention to his reputation and will avoid looking stupid. He thinks he is good.

- Birthyear in Name

Chances are that Johnny1975 was born in 1975. Older players are generally tighter, less aggressive, and less prone to overvaluing a hand. Younger players are often playing by the seat of their pants.

- Recent Year in Name

Chances are Johnny04 created his account in 2004, and he has some experience.

- Name in All Capital Letters

Chances are that your opponent, YOUAREDINNER, is aggressive.

- Picture of Girlfriend

Your opponent is likely about the age of the girlfriend.

- A Trick in a Name

"Time 11 Secs," "Seat Empty," or "Screen Name" are most likely tricky players at heart.

- Rude Name

Most likely, IOwnYourA$$ is a young, immature player, without any true skills.


Weird Bet Amounts:

- Bets 2222 with 400-800 blinds.

Your opponent is trying to get away with risking less than 3x the big blind with this tomfoolery. If you have Fold equity, throw a reraise at him!

- Bets 999.

Your opponent is trying to make his bet "look" big, because the stack will look large. Don't be fooled. He doesn't have much. Someone with AA preflop, or the nuts, will try to not look deceptive in any way.

- Betting 2.1x-2.9x the big blind in position (bets 410-590 with 100-200 blinds)

This player is trying a cheap position raise, and, in most cases, he has a marginal hand.



I hope this gives all pocketfivers an insight into the heads of their opponents. Remember that the ability to fake tells is out there as well, and many of these tells aren't 100% reliable. People with poor connection or multitablers may give off a false alarm. Be sure to not give off these tells, and have a screen name and an avatar that tells people nothing about your true self and isn't likely to irritate others.

Be observant, and you can pick up a whole heck of a lot!

Hope this helps
 
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It is easy to fake tells, alter betting style, etc; when playing online so I've given over to the habit of just trusting my gut in most instances. Especially on the all-in bets. I have folded some good hands, possibly the best hands even, but I've also remained in the game giving myself a chance to hit later.
 
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