Online poker and players

Now I have noticed that on websites much like this as well during online play and such I see so many people who complain about seeing too many bad beats and people who luck out and such like that compared to live play.. Now not that I don't disagree with this its just that if you think about it depending on how many tables you tend to play at one time you are going to see more hands.. Yes ??.. Now if your seeing more hands that means you are going to see more donks as a lot of people like calling them lol.. Am I wrong in this or something ??.... HELP !!!!!!!!!!! haha

OK..... somewhat the 'more hands played, the more you see' .... but my take is that online you see a LOT more bad play than at live tables.

Nobody knows how or when to fold. Why should they? The masses are playing freerolls and penny-ante poker. A lot of the hands you see played online would seldom (if ever) be played at a live table.

You just don't see .01/.02 nl games in casinos or poker rooms. There aren't any freerolls ... 'come one, come all'. If it's a 'freeroll' it's a compensation type game with decent payouts to a select group of players being done as a 'reward' of some kind.

If online poker went to NO freerolls and table minimums at $1/$2, $50+ buy-in minimums, you would not see the same number of online 'bad play wins'. No 10c turbos ... instead .... require minimum buy-in $20 shoot-outs and the bad play ATC'ers .... would fall by the wayside.

Yeah that makes a lot of since as well... I mean you do see a lot of stupid play... I have stories of losing at real tables to stupid hands that should have never been in but yeah it happens more online lol

nevadanick said:

OK..... somewhat the 'more hands played, the more you see' .... but my take is that online you see a LOT more bad play than at live tables.

Nobody knows how or when to fold. Why should they? The masses are playing freerolls and penny-ante poker. A lot of the hands you see played online would seldom (if ever) be played at a live table.

You just don't see .01/.02 nl games in casinos or poker rooms. There aren't any freerolls ... 'come one, come all'. If it's a 'freeroll' it's a compensation type game with decent payouts to a select group of players being done as a 'reward' of some kind.

If online poker went to NO freerolls and table minimums at $1/$2, $50+ buy-in minimums, you would not see the same number of online 'bad play wins'. No 10c turbos ... instead .... require minimum buy-in $20 shoot-outs and the bad play ATC'ers .... would fall by the wayside.

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I agree for the most part, but where I live there are actually lots of freerolls played at various bars and restaurants. The play in these are just like online freerolls. People open shoving with J-2o, calling down with 10 high, etc. etc. Granted it's not a casino where buyins are involved, but it's still live poker.

CasperJames said:

I agree for the most part, but where I live there are actually lots of freerolls played at various bars and restaurants. The play in these are just like online freerolls. People open shoving with J-2o, calling down with 10 high, etc. etc. Granted it's not a casino where buyins are involved, but it's still live poker.

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If anything, Casper, that goes a long way to prove my point. In most cases, 'live' games are for significantly more than pennies, so the risks that players will take with lousy hands drops proportionately.

Throw in the 'freeroll' or 'cheap' aspect and players will opt for the magic of luck instead of winning through skill, no matter if it is live or online.

so is it pointless playing freerolls if your only gonna play good hands? because your gonna get beat by crap hands most of the time?
also does anybody know why the freerolls at FT are much bigger now? as if there weren't enough bad players aleady...

Yeah u go through so many more hands playing online than you do playing live so therefore you must expect some bad beats every now and then. Its just poker, it happens.

And obviously there are way more donks in micro limits or freerolls, you just gotta expect that.

With poker being a lot about odds, I don't care if I'm playing donks or not. Play sound poker, know the odds and it doesn't matter if you see more hands online or play against donks, you're going to win.

percy312 said:

so is it pointless playing freerolls if your only gonna play good hands? because your gonna get beat by crap hands most of the time?
also does anybody know why the freerolls at FT are much bigger now? as if there weren't enough bad players aleady...

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It's all about DOLLARS. Do you really believe any online provider cares about the ESSENCE or integrity of poker ?? poker sites are cash driven .... period. They are businesses .... after all is said and done.

statistically. AK vs 45 is 2:1 odds. so pretty much you will see a badbeat every 3 hands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

There are a host of reasons things seem to be, but aren't really. Like, for example, I just played a tourney with some vocal individual (ok, loudmouth) who had to tell me how bad a player I am, all the while making bad calls that miraculously got paid off. It -just- happened (recency bias), so I tend to agree with you. I also came to expect the next miracle suck out (confirmation bias). Well, you can read the list as well as I.

In this particular case, I was so enthralled by this guy's play that I sharkscoped him (after logging out, and I haven't played him again, so no, I'm not "cheating"), and his ROI looks like the steep part of a roller coaster. I'm about even over 400 games. He's down....well, a lot. Judging by what I saw, online poker is nothing but one miraculous suck out after another where bad play gets paid off. Judging by his historical results, his performance today WAS anomolous.

So yeah, there are a lot of bad players, but bad players are also a lot more memorable.

It's more hands

I agree it seems like you get screwed more online but it's volume. You just play so many more hands than live. That's the reason we don't win every time, right?

If you lose online you just chick onto the next tourney-if you lose live you have that long drive home. You'll get bad players in freerolls because it's just that. A freeroll. You get people all in every hand trying to take it down fast. Always will and it'll never change.